LibertyBell

It makes you wonder if we will ever see winters like 80-81 or 81-82 or 83-84 or 84-85 ever again (let alone 76-77)? These weren't even winters with a lot of snow (near average snow in some of those), but they all had below zero arctic outbreaks. The reason I say this is because I feel like without the effects of climate change, this would have been an early 80s type of winter, not a lot of snow (maybe average) but it would have had a below zero or single digits arctic outbreak and January would have averaged in the mid 20s. We did have 2015-16 which shows it can still get below zero here, but those winters were colder overall too.

that's pretty much the story of this entire season

Let's be brave... make a prediction, will NYC get more snow in February than they got in January? It doesn't have to be a snowy February for that to happen, they don't even need a 4" storm for it to happen, all they need is 3.1" of snow. Do you think January will end up NYC's snowiest month this season or will it be February with a worse pattern for snowfall?

it could have waited until tomorrow

it's a good thing. There's still a chance to make history!

hopefully until after midnight

Chris, what was JFK's average in February 2015 and how far up the list of coldest months would it have been?

that was generally far snowier to our south (see Norfolk). we got our revenge in 1966-67, a truly historic winter.

Nowhere near 18 inches here. Haven't had an HECS here since January 2016. January 2018 was very good, but about half of that amount of snow. It's why I call it semi-Jonas. 4-8 SECS 8-16 MECS 16-24 HECS 24+ BECS That's my modified scale, I added a higher top end thanks to January 2016. There needs to be a category above HECS January 2018 was about 15 inches here so just under HECS. January 2022 was 12 inches here.

Mine was March 2015 2014-2015 was absolutely amazing in February and March. January was pretty good too, but some people are still stuck on the January 2015 *disappointment* of 10 inches of snow. 2014-15 was head and shoulders above 2013-14 which wasn't as great at the coast.

Generally I'd agree with you, but the issue is that some stations have a much longer POR than other stations, so for example, you can't compare Central Park's 150+ years of numbers vs some other station (likely an airport) which has many fewer years in their POR. I think 60 years is a good middle ground, because most of our airports had started to accumulate weather data 60 years ago.

I think we also need quantum computing. Our conventional computers just won't cut it.

Yes please do beat KC, I want their streak of luck to end.

On a different note, the last time a plane crashed into the Potomac, January 13, 1982 during a raging snowstorm. 74 perished =\ 1981-82 had two periods of historic winter weather, one in January with a 3 day snowstorm and below zero cold right down to the coast and the second one came in April with a historic blizzard and a week of arctic cold and another snow event at the tail end of that.

lol any reason why you're looking at Mid March? Winter will likely be over before then.

they are even poor in analyzing climate trends because we keep shifting to newer 30 year periods.... and who decided on 30 years anyway, it seems quite subjective.

it's why I don't like monthly *averages* or even daily *averages*

as we have seen, you can have a 4-6 inch snowstorm both before and after a 60 degree day (sometimes both).

thats correct and how we got snow in February 2018. you can even get an HECS in a torch winter like 2015-16 obviously completely different but any kind of pattern can result in a minor or moderate snowfall in the dead of winter (Jan/Feb)

100 inches of snow in 10 days in Norfolk, Va? WOW ! and the revenge of the coastal in the second snow storm, 40 inches in Norfolk in one night and 0 inches 25 miles inland!

Great Northern Lights displays! Edmonton is a large city with a huge mall. I know a few people who live there.

-40 is a truly magical temperature, at which C=F Most analog thermometers I've seen do not go below -40.

January should end after today, tomorrow should be considered the beginning of February.

I'd want to experience the 1780s for this and also for that volcanic eruption in Iceland that caused the mammoth winter of 1782-83 which I'm convinced was more snowy than any winter that has happened since. No snowfall measurements from that winter anywhere?

Saw this WSI graphic that indicates that NYC has had an *average* winter... they factor in cold, snowfall and days of snowcover into this index.