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In all seriousness, it shows the issues with the testing, particularly the rapid result tests. As a layperson, I am not sure if the technology is there to have highly accurate rapid result testing for this virus.

Well, one of them is right and one of them is wrong.

Valid concern. You'd need to be hypervigilant and not hesitate to shut it down. Online learning just isn't as good as in person. Maybe you can get away with that more for older kids... and that is assuming everybody has proper access.

It is walking a tightrope but I think you gotta try to open schools in areas where the virus is not currently out of control or on the verge of that, while allowing for a remote learning option.

Ohio governor tested positive but is currently asymptomatic https://www.whio.com/news/local/gov-dewine-tests-positive-coronavirus/TSZIR6U735GZBGCORZ3TQ2SH6Y/

Yeah, that doesn't make much sense. I had no idea that high school football was going to be happening because I have been reading stories of local schools cancelling contact sports. Perhaps my county is not representative of the rest of Indiana.

Wouldn't have stopped it, but there's pretty good reason to think we wouldn't be having 60k+ confirmed cases per day right now had some states been more careful with their reopening.

Was reading about the schools in Israel. Basically it sounds like they started out with precautions and restrictions on class sizes and then let up and fully opened schools.

We play with the cards we've been dealt.

Yeah I'm guessing those 2 studies are the reason for the change in position. In current hotspot areas where resources are already strained, it is pretty much a no brainer that you can't send the kids into school. Question is how to handle it in areas with less virus and there are no easy answers.

We really need widespread, effective rapid result testing. I don't have a lot of confidence in schools being able to catch outbreaks in time before they turn into dozens or hundreds of cases. I definitely think we will have instances of that. Yes, kids are statistically lower risk of serious illness, but then it spills out where it can affect more vulnerable people.

Some schools around here are going to be starting off with online learning or even doing the whole semester online, while others are starting off with in person learning or the hybrid model. This will create a live experiment of sorts, although kids have friends and get together with kids who live in other towns which will still result in a lot of mixing. I don't pretend to have all the answers, but I'm not sure about the hybrid model of kids going to school in person for 2 or 3 days a week and staying at home for the other 2 or 3 days. There is still about 6-8 hours of possible exposure on the days they are there in person. Holding classes outdoors seems like a decent idea just from a virus standpoint, though I imagine it would be easier for kids to become distracted outdoors and you could only do that for so long in many parts of the country.

I try to give people the benefit of the doubt on that. Maybe they don't have hand sanitizer on them or something and don't want to touch the mask. But otherwise it is a bit over the top.

There has been too much wandering away from virus talk into larger economic debates. I will close the thread if it doesn't stay more focused on the virus and its direct impacts.

In Soviet Russia you don't get vaccine. Vaccine get you!

Looks like this will be the first Saturday with 1000+ reported deaths since the end of May. We will hit 200k in the first week of September at the rate we're going.

This is a little foreboding as schools are getting ready to return. No, it's not the same thing as a school, but the number of people that caught the virus in that short amount of time is shocking. Hundreds of Georgia campers infected with coronavirus at YMCA camp in just days, CDC report finds https://www.wsbtv.com/news/local/hundreds-georgia-campers-infected-with-coronavirus-ymca-summer-camp-cdc-report-finds/EL5FFTVSDVETRGROPEXK6CIZNM/?outputType=amp

What about New York City specifically? I know they were not doing indoor dining as of 3 or 4 weeks ago but not sure if something changed. Limited indoor dining seems like it can work. The bigger problem comes when you increase the capacity toward 75-100% and of course the bars are ripe for spreading.

The places that were hammered in winter/spring generally took a slower approach with reopening. Forget the bars, is indoor dining even open yet in NYC? Or if it is, what's the percent capacity?

Indiana recently added something nice to the dashboard. There is a breakdown of the number of unique individuals tested as well as the total number of tests each day so you get a sense of how many multiple tests have been done.

7 day average deaths have eclipsed 1000. That is where we were at the end of May/start of June. It was inevitable that the deaths were going to rise after the cases exploded, but I was hoping we'd keep the weekly average under 1000/day. Now you just hope it doesn't climb much higher.

Your county strikes me as an outlier as far as the distribution of deaths. I looked it up and the latest population estimate for Livingston county is 190,000. I would bet there aren't many counties of that size that have 95-100% of the covid deaths coming from nursing homes. I could see that being more common in very rural counties where it stays mostly contained inside of the facilities.

I do think it matters in some ways, but in other ways not. Like, we would have a contingent of deniers/minimizers out there no matter what because, well, that's how we roll. Would rather not rehash the blame game in here though because we know that it will inevitably wade into problem territory for this thread (and everyone is probably pretty much set in their beliefs anyway)

Heard that from my sister, who has basically been looking for any way possible to discredit the pandemic. That raises an obvious question about those stories. How do they know whom to call if people are leaving before getting tested? Or is there some kind of check in process when you first show up?