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Yeah, see my post above. The thing about 10 people pertains to the second dose of the vaccine. I wonder why that group was so small.

So what it is is that they gave a second dose to 10 people. I saw it quickly yesterday and mixed it up.

Is that the one that was tested on like 10 people?

Masks are now required in my county where distancing can't be maintained. This won't be a change for me but I routinely see at least 10-20% of people not wearing masks when I go into stores/businesses.

Fyi, going to be tightening things up a bit in here. Overtly political posts/bashing will most likely be removed. Would prefer to not even see the president and other politicians mentioned. The post about the president wearing a mask will be left up (at least for now) because of the significance/symbolism.

Hell froze over.

That person makes good points, though I think there is a little hyperbole at times. For one, the IFR is most likely under 1%. But even if it is 0.3%, that would be 1 million dead Americans if everybody caught the virus. Secondly, it is hard to know at this point whether some of the damage to the body is permanent. The idea that it could be permanent though should be enough for everyone to respect this and take it seriously.

It may work if we can definitively know that people cannot be reinfected, the quarantined people never set foot outside of their houses and never come in contact with a non quarantined individual. Other than that...

Anyway, this thread is getting too political. Get back on track.

Of course this pandemic would've been a lot to dump on any president, let alone somebody who never held any office. Whether or not someone wants to use that as an excuse is up to them. Presidents usually get tested at some point in their presidency. We went through a lot of this same stuff in the 1918 pandemic. Masks, closures, etc. And guess what? Things eventually became normal again. You didn't have to wear a mask in public for the rest of your life. I'm not sure if there was such vociferous resistance back then. I know we didn't have twitter and the like, lol.

Just because something is left up doesn't mean I'm a personal fan of it. I'd prefer every post to stick to what the virus is doing and not the other issues surrounding it, but it's sort of inevitable for it to drift. This thread has generally not gotten as heated or gone as far off the rails as some of the other covid threads, and hopefully that continues.

If you look at the daily case trends in Arizona, there are signs they are beginning to stabilize if not starting to trend downward. But they had such a spike that there will be dozens dying there each day (some days over 100) for quite a while yet.

About 850 new cases in IN, which is the 2nd highest daily number since testing began. Positive test percentage is higher than ideal but not crazy high.

As far as how to classify the deaths, it should be the best medical judgement of whatever caused the death. Some of the cancer plus covid cases may be tough to tell as far as which one caused the death, but typically it should be pretty clear.

The beaches have been packed though. Speaking of which, some of them are going to be closing. I guess too many people not observing proper distancing.

You could make that argument. We have been at those percentages with the bars and restaurants since June 12 and the rise in cases here has been gradual... nothing like FL, TX, AZ, CA. Perhaps there is just a lag and it will start to accelerate at some point. I do think some states/cities may be able to get away with a bit more opening than others. Like having bars at 50% in Kokomo, IN or Indianapolis may not be as big of a problem as having bars at 50% in Miami. Miami is obviously a huge party/tourist spot.

Indiana governor is extending the current restrictions until at least August. So restaurants will remain at max of 75% indoor capacity and bars at 50%. We have been able to keep our rise in cases under control with those percentages so no use playing with fire and going to 100%

That seems like it is the bigger issue at this point. It is a problem if you're waiting 1 or 2 weeks for the test result.

If we maintain the current daily fatality numbers from now through the end of the year, we will be around 300,000 deaths by Jan 1. Hopefully that doesn't happen. The modeling is projecting about 800-1000 deaths per day for quite a while though.

California is starting to ration testing... not everyone will be able to get one. Not sure if this is happening anywhere else. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1233963

Can you guys knock it off? And I'll take the opportunity to give a general reminder to try to address the substance of people's posts without the name calling.

Good step. Now for the big trial that includes people who aren't so healthy.

This is really the biggest concern. It is impossible to keep the virus contained to younger age groups when you have so many cases (and FL has a lot of multigenerational housing). That heat map is a nice depiction of it trickling into the older age groups more over time.

Not the race you want to be in CA, FL, TX

I agree with that. All labs should report all of their test results as they are supposed to do. Transparency is a good thing. How much the lack of reporting some of the negative results is affecting the statewide positive percentage is hard to say. In any case, there is clearly a problem in parts of FL right now based on the other metrics.