Buckeyes_Suck

Been thinking this ever since reading the Andronema strain as a kid.

Here's how I disagree. https://news.gallup.com/poll/150359/half-germans-obese-overweight.aspx Here's the other issue to keep site of. We don't have enough drs as it is. https://journal.practicelink.com/vital-stats/physician-compensation-worldwide/

Heres a great example of what I mean. I should mention that my wife works in healthcare, so she sees this everyday. https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/chart-collection/health-expenditures-vary-across-population/#item-out-of-pocket-spending-on-health-services-is-almost-as-concentrated-as-overall-health-spending_2016 In 2016, 5% of the population accounted for half of all health spending. The 5% of people who spend the most on health care spend an average of around $50,000 annually; people in the top 1% have average spending of over $109,750. At the other end of the spectrum, the 50% of the population with the lowest spending accounted for only 3% of all total health spending; the average spending for this group was $276.

I'll agree to disagree. I don't think that healthcare is a right. It's simply not fair that I workout and eat healthy and have to support the guy eating Cheetos and soda. I have no problem contributing tax dollars to those who cant help themselves or get sick beyond their own control but by far the largest contributor to healthcare costs in this country is diabetes and heart disease which can be largely be linked to obesity. These same fat asses are the same ones who are yelling from their couches to save the environment while they reek of their own methane... /end rant

Depends on what you have for insurance. My wife or I would have had to pay $100 outta pocket, which would have been covered by my companies FSA.

What we have in America is fragile, just look at whats going on currently. What you're suggesting would turn us into Valenzuela which is completely absurd. The deficit dosent matter anywhere nearly as much as the record low unemployment and the growth in wages. The reality is that as long as we remain as a superpower we can comfortably continue on into eternity at 2-4% deficit/GDP. Remember that almost 30% of this debt is owed to ourselves in the form of social security.

Current Healthcare industry is $3.8T. My work for example pays up to $1200/month/employee for healthcare, considerably more than yours. My wifes is the same. I wrote $4T because you now have to add in the additional uninsured, plus with no copays you will drive up demand for drs which will drive up costs.

Few counterpoints... "added trillions of dollars to the national debt ($3 trillion as of last year)" Universal healthcare would add $4 trillion per year and rise year after year. No tax plan I've seen proposed makes up for that. A better way to go after the deficit is exactly what this administration is doing and stop giving handouts to the rest of the world while allowing them to rape us with tariffs. Italy has universal healthcare...My former coworkers from Canada paid to get treatment here because its so bad there. "They’ll find that unemployment and food stamps benefits have been cut dramatically. With no income, what are they going to do? These are hard working people in jobs providing services that have no demand. How are they going to pay rent, pay for food, medicine? Capitalism is giving us the empty shelves that are supposed to be the product of communism." Two things wrong with this. 1-There is always work to those who want it. I cant hire guys to make $50-90k a year fast enough, instead I have to sub work at $65 an hour. I've worked non stop since I started at the farmers market at 13 and since then have don everything from selling cellphones to making cardboard to wrenching cars. If I lost my job today I'd be on Upwork subcontracting engineering services while looking for my next job. 2-Empty shelves are being caused by panic buying, nothing to do with capitalism. If anything its capitalism that has my customers in the dairy industry working overtime to keep up with demand. Anyways...Go Bills! Hopefully theres still a season. They could always go WWE style and play in an empty stadium.

Not to start a pissing match but his policies would bankrupt this country. This country is different than the rest of the world because it’s so rich it’s social policies enable opportunistic sub culture. It’s this very inherent laziness that is why communism doesn’t work. With Bernies plan you’ll see the annual healthcare cost go up because of abuse of the social safety net, ie people will keep getting even fatter/drunk/drugged/diabetic than they already are.

Our local dashes was wiped of all chicken, flour, rice and most dairy. Going to have to make my own butter...

I think the bigger danger that isn’t being talked about is what countries like Iran will do as the bottom of the economy completely falls out. We’re taking entire populations and pushing them into corners as hard as we can, and now expect them to stay put and starve. They will riot, and all the containment efforts will go to shit. I’m surprised Putin hasn’t annexed another slice of the Ukraine yet.

I think my biggest takeaway from all this is how fragile our civilization is. Not to downplay the deaths but the reaction is having a larger economic and social effect than the virus itself. We've gone to war with less of a panic.

Or they created it out of fear of Greta. Air Pollution is down drastically since the outbreak. kidding of course...

Not a whole lot of action there....when is ampol back up????

Luc1f3r just signed up.

I would argue that the data doesn't go back hundreds of years, and that only remotely solid data only goes back 40 years. Automated systems for data gathering have really only widely been available for the past 20 years and economically feasible for mass distribution for the past 10 years. That said i'm not arguing at all against human caused global warming, just posting data that screams the sky is falling. My stance is that doing anything to try to affect the rate of warming at this point is a drop in the pond. All the green initiative here in the states is just nothing to what china and india are doing to the climate, and as Africa experiences a rapid and explosive industrialization over the next 50 years we will be even more negligible. Money better spent would be on relocating people from areas that will either be flooded or protecting low lying areas as water levels rise. Additionally, what if we are wrong and there is some other forcing that is driving climate change? Then all of this time and money that could have been spent on preparing for the worst would have been wasted on trying to prevent it.

I believe in science and I believe that the climate is warming as a result of human influence and that ice coverage will continue to go down because of it. That doesn't change that showing data for only the last 40 years only is misleading, especially as the 70's were notoriously cold.

I hate charts with an agenda.