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1 minute ago, H2O said:

So you lose your job because work wants to risk your life.  Gotta love capitalism.  This is exactly what we are trying to avoid.  The need to work over health and safety.  

Plenty of work from home jobs available if you don't want to leave your house.. gotta love it

Just now, supernovasky said:

So basically you envision at risk people being fired for not going to work in a pandemic.

 

Good to know. I don't think that's going to fly in most states lol.

Don't know how that will work.. hopefully only furloughed so they can keep their benefits. Bottom line - the work needs to be done

43 minutes ago, supernovasky said:

Looks like several states are working on passing liability shields to protect employers from being sued by their employees for unsafe conditions while they reopen for the pandemic.

 

Seems about right.

This is why the whole “open up but stay home if you are at risk” thing just falls apart. Employers will make even at risk employees go to work. I know because both of my parents are in this situation.

 

https://mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKCN223179?__twitter_impression=true

Employers can't force you come to work. You can tell them you don't feel comfortable doing so and they will find someone who will.. plenty of hurting people out there who would love a job and are capable of following safety guidelines.

Personally, I would not want to be a GA resident right now. I’ll stick to my stay at home order until I’m told otherwise.

As should anyone, including in Georgia, that might be scared and are lucky enough to have that option. Others need to take their chances so they can feed their families and keep a roof over their heads.

4 minutes ago, mappy said:

at least +100 or more a day for the past 10 days

How is VA doing? From a glance it looks like it's a completely different story.. 

20 minutes ago, DCTeacherman said:

Yeah, I would imagine with reduced capacity that may need to be enforced and a general reduction in visits, restaurants, movie theatres, etc would have to raise prices.  

Pricing is of course driven on demand, which I suspect will initially be very low based on the paranoia/fear factor.. Sadly, reducing your capacity by 50% is a no go for most restaurants.. they have razor thin margins to begin with, and make up for it with volume. I think we will be lucky to see 50% of these places reopen unless the restrictions are not overly stringent. Hopefully down the line they can give it another go

I can certainly see prices going up significantly in the long run due to inevitable inflation from giving away trillions

34 minutes ago, supernovasky said:

Fashion people are embracing masks so I could totally see mask adoption becoming a thing.

 

As for me, my own personal habits that will change:

- I’m personally not going to go to restaurants until there is a vaccine, but I may use curbside.

- Unless things are pretty strongly under control I just don’t see my son in daycare again.

- Movie theatres were already overpriced and shitty. I’m done with them.

- I’m going to do more of my chores online. Banking, changing plans, etc.

- I am probably forever going to use hand sanitizer a ton.

- I legitimately don’t think I’m down with crowded places anymore. They already made me a little nervous. It’ll take a lot before I’m willing to enter a space with a ton of people in it again. 
 

- I am not flying until there is a vaccine.

I hope many follow you.. this is great news for those of us that might just be washing our hands more often - no crowds, cheaper prices.. not to mention these places will be cleaner than they have ever been by a mile. Can't wait!

 

1 hour ago, Inverted_Trough said:

I’m actually enjoying the cheap gas prices from the lockdown too.  

Indeed! With everyone out driving around everywhere it's really paying dividends.

I looked at the protestors. They don’t look like “MAGA people” to me but I guess it’s possible? Seems like a stretch dude. I’m not allowed to look outside my bubble right now by state order.

You really should look… you’ll also see Depression-era unemployment, thousands of failed businesses and 6 mile long food bank car lines full of kids headed to poverty which will give you the full picture.. but hey, think of the greater good. Compromise has no place here.

If people are going to use total deaths of flu for comparison then they have to use the total deaths of this virus over the entire year. Taking bets that number is over 100k by the end of 2020

We can only hope!

1 hour ago, leesburg 04 said:

Sweden is doing the herd mentality thing. Population 10 million 13,000 confirmed cases 1,400 deaths so a 10% death rate so far. US population roughly 330 million I'll let you do the math if we went herd. I'm just as ready as anyone to get back at it but I'm not sure this would have been the right way. I apologize in C.A.P.E already posted lol

That death rate calculation is about as worthless as tits on a boar - Sweden has one of the lowest testing rates in the world

 

11 minutes ago, supernovasky said:

A few caveats from the study:

 

"We consider our estimate to represent the best available current evidence, but recognize that new information, especially about the test kit performance, could result in updated estimates. For example, if new estimates indicate test specificity to be less than 97.9%, our SARS-CoV-2 prevalence estimate would change from 2.8% to less than 1%, and the lower uncertainty bound of our estimate would include zero."

 

"Other biases, such as bias favoring individuals in good health capable of attending our testing sites, or bias favoring those with prior COVID-like illnesses seeking antibody confirmation are also possible. The overall effect of such biases is hard to ascertain."

 

But it's a good study for sure, the bigger implication is that we have a good, working serological test and hopefully it can be mass produced.

You sure your name isn't Debbie?

46 minutes ago, PhineasC said:

I do not support global unfettered reopening. I can say I personally will not be in any restaurant, movie theater, or other major public space through the summer. But we can allow people to go back to work so they can put food on the table and pay bills.

Did you see the miles of cars lined up at various food banks in different parts of the country? I guess that stimulus is really kicking in.. Good thing no one dies from the effects of not putting food on the table or having a roof over your head.

23 hours ago, Amped said:

"Don't think I've seen anything like this"

 

A phase uttered daily when reviewing the GFS

19 minutes ago, Wonderdog said:

At the end of the day, people are going to have to assess their own risk level and act accordingly. And hopefully they will continue to wash hands frequently; practice social distancing; and wear your mask when needed.

Precisely

1 minute ago, SnowGolfBro said:

Google Weimar Germany and hyperinflation.  You will demand the government stop printing money.

Made an edit.. mean't "can" print

Just now, Chris78 said:

Im sure the amount of infections are much higher I agree. But they still wouldnt be in the ball park of influenza.

We will know in a year or two when the CDC has had a chance to make an accurate estimation, like they did for 2018-19

1 minute ago, PhineasC said:

You should look at viral and bacterial pneumonia deaths to get a better picture...

Don't forget drug overdoses - kills 70K a year

Just now, Chris78 said:

2018 / 2019 flu season per cdc estimates -

35.5 million cases.

34,000 deaths. 

.09% death rate.

 

Coronavirus to date - 622,973

Deaths - 27,586 

Death rate -  4.48%

 

If you think there have only been 622K COVID infections to date I have a bridge to sell you. You only get tested if you have strong symptoms or you have connections.

37 minutes ago, psuhoffman said:

You’re points have some validity but you don’t convince anyone by always saying it in the most abrasive obnoxious way possible. You’re worried the gov ability to assist is invalid though since they literally print the money. They can never run out of it. 

You need to take a basic economics course if you think that you can print money endlessly and not have it's value go to zero

Just now, supernovasky said:

It's directly from the CDC, and a number around 20% has been reported from many countries all over the world ever since China. 20% of people with this disease seem to develop a "severe form of illness" with the numbers we have available to us.

 

It's not worth fighting over. You can work with whatever you want to work with, I'm working with what we can verify, and the state is taking all of this stuff into account when making lockdown decisions. They have scientists who I am sure know way more than you and I combined or so I hope.

You clearly don't understand how lack of testing unrealistically skews the numbers so it's a lost cause. Between 2/12 - 3/16 only those who were sick enough to go to the hospital were getting tested, so of course the numbers are higher for that period. The FDA didn't even approve a test until well into that period.

Just now, DCTeacherman said:

The average hospitalization rate has been 17%, but of course that sample is biased because mostly only the very sick get tested.  I think the framing you’ve presented is incorrect.  I don’t believe people can “get on with their lives” in the midst of this epidemic until we limit the spread significantly.  We need to limit it at least to the point that our hospitals aren’t in jeopardy of being overwhelmed.  

No it hasn't been 17% unless you're over 85 - read the link I posted which has the most recent information. 

You're welcome to stay at home until kingdom come under your TP bunker.. no problem from me!

3 minutes ago, supernovasky said:

See above. The study I was working with shows a 20%-31% hospitalization rate. It's directly from the CDC.

Even if it's 10%, I'm not risking anything. I've heard of many stories of people my age getting ridiculously sick, being in the hospital for 14 days, being on oxygen, being unable to walk up and down stairs for weeks afterwards.

 

I'm having no part in it. 

 

2 minutes ago, PhineasC said:

This number is next to useless without knowing total infected (AKA, the denominator).

Besides the fact that it's looking at data between Feb 12 - March 16 when very few if any were getting tested for COVID. Nice cherry picking

1 minute ago, PhineasC said:

And the hospitalization rate is greatly affected by self-selection bias. Only the sickest people go to the ER and test positive, and, of that cohort, some percentage is admitted. It's not 17% of every single person with COVID-19...

Yes, that too.. I'd wager a relatively high number of infections go untested because their symptoms are mild or non-existent..

Just now, supernovasky said:

Looks like right now, the official CDC data is:

 

Cumulative COVID-19-associated hospitalization rates since March 1, 2020, will be updated weekly. The overall cumulative hospitalization rate is 12.3 per 100,000, with the highest rates in persons 65 years and older (38.7 per 100,000) and 50-64 years (20.7 per 100,000).

 

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/covid-data/covidview/index.html

 

And yes, I do plan to stay inside. 81% of people right now support continued lockdowns. Not just for our own sake, but for the sake of the people we care about who are susceptible.

Hospitalization rates are here: https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6915e3.htm

Good to know 80% of the population has endless economic resources and not living paycheck to paycheck like most reports I've seen. When the government tit is dry I have a feeling they will be singing a different tune. Good luck