J Paul Gordon

Sure, but what is the formula for that? Do we just add a couple of degrees C/F? Do we multiply by certain factor? Is there an agreed upon norm? If we are doing science, we need the numbers. If we are doing ideology/religion we can simply invoke the creed "I believe in Climate Change". Of course the climate is changing (it does us well to remember that 15,000 insignificantly short years ago a kilometer of ice covered the place I live in) and currently it is warming. Human beings very likely have an affect on this. Precisely what effect and how long the warming will continue is open for debate. There are other factors at play, too, including solar activity, etc. that may mitigate or enhance GW/CC. It worries me when GW is thrown into predictions without further qualification. It would help if there was a standard value being added to predictions and those predictions were checked against what actually happens.

GW is an article of religious faith (and scientific fact, at least for the time being). The fact side is fine, the ideological assumptions are not. Sometimes I wonder if the latter gets in the way of the science. Granted, a super nino would paint us in the CFC orange all winter, but it seems a bit dumb to make the assumption on the eve of what looks like a weak nino. Of course, the Old Farmers Almanac has already cancelled winter, so maybe the CFC is taking its cues from them.

The worst days have been like average summer weather in the part of Oklahoma (central) my mother hails from. Good news is that it will pass. Even better news is a reasonable chance for an early winter. Maybe snow for the holiday season and bright happy faces all across the board as we watch a monster low creep up the coast and hang around the benchmark for a week. Obviously, the heat an humidity have gone to my head. The New Permian has begun. Got to accept the fact that we'll never see a below freezing day south of 75N again.

Does the CFC just recycle the same long range maps every year? I don't recall ever seeing BN temps for this part of the country in the 3 month range.

Would be a bit of a laugh if our minimum temps rose to 20F here in Worcester and our maximums dropped to 24. We'd have the same average temps but a very different sensory experience.

04-05 was a great winter for snow here, and fairly mild except for January.

At this point in the summer I usually wish I lived in St John's NFL or maybe even Nuuk, Greenland.

A bit OT, but I was in Atlanta at the end of July. Heat and humidity about what we've been having lately, but it still felt hotter (yes, I know solar angle is higher, but even at night it felt worse). Somehow, if there is a bit of a breeze there is an underlying "coolness" here that doesn't exist down there. Its as if the heat sinks in and just never leaves this time of year once you get south of 40N. Glad to see it make its exit. Summer, for me, lasts at least until mid September most years, just like winter lasts until mid March most years. So another five or six weeks to endure before the solar angle gets low enough to make 85/70 (or more likely 85/55) feel like a whole different animal than it does now.

Let's b**ch about the weather! The next time I see one of those pictures of a huge snowstorm on social media with some kind of asinine remark about how I should be grateful that its 90/75 versus 20/19 with 3"/hr snowfall rates I'm gonna see if ICE can arrange a little deportation for the culprit---let's say to the most mosquito ridden place in Amazonia, preferably with an anaconda or five thrown in.

Assuming I understood, it means a potential for a nice early start to winter for a change? I will ignore the stuff about a change for the worse (warmer) midwinter. This is sick, I'm already trolling! Its the heat and humidity!

If they are building their nests in the eaves that must mean snow to the rooftops come winter! (lol)

Its got to be a desperate set of circumstances to bring me out of my weatherboard doldrums in August. Doesn't look like much relief on the way. Looks like weeping and gnashing of teeth until December from what some folks are saying here. On the other hand, we know how fast that can change.

Holden measured 25. Closest to me (2 or 3 miles as the crow flies); Airport (about 5 mi) 21". I'll go in the middle for 23. Seems realistic considering the height of the drifts and sheer volume of it. No complaints here.

Dude, you are welcome to join us. Just remember that New England is synonymous with crabbiness. It's not that we can't be friendly; some of us just don't want to be. Stick around, you'll get used to us. For instance, you would have been happy to get 4-6 inches today (and in a bad winter so wouldn't we), but when its seems like everyone around you got 20" and you got 4 or 6.....well it's sort of like watching the Patriots lose the Super Bowl.... kind of an entitlement issue.

I lived in Amherst and Northampton for a number of years. Truly the "happy valley", but we always seemed to get into the screw zone between the big hits east of us and/or west of us. A natural sinkhole for snowfall. Born here in Worcester and spent most of my years here. Rarely got screwed here unless it was a scraper/south of the pike deal or a rainer (like the first in this train of three). We almost always do well, even when we aren't the jackpot. A notable exception was the "Boxing Day" storm. The airport officially measured about a foot; here on the east side it was more like six inches of dust. I remember watching the bands to the left, bands to the right while we sat in the snow hole all night. I feel for the valley snow lovers; not as bad as CC for annual totals, but a lot of nickle and diming to get there.

This has to have been the biggest snowfall of the season here. Got a good hit in January 17" with lots of wind, etc., but the drifting and general depth of today's storm outdid that one.

Don't know if its off topic, but are those possible heavy bands of squalls they say may be coming tomorrow significant for further accumulations?

back her up a few more miles....still coming down hard on my side of town, though

Really ripping out there now...guess the band made it home!

still nothing to sneeze at...figured it would be a SE SNE monster, just hoped to get in on one of those bands...

Decent snow here...but not the mega-band type.... so close and yet so far....

Think it will make it to Worcester?

I see it too...looks like my side of Worcester should see it soon. Meantime snow has lightened but still moderate temp down to -3C/27F been going down slowly all morning. Wind here is 10 mph near surface, but stronger up in the tree tops.

free james

So how much in my backyard? Does Worcester benefit from orthography?