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This depiction as is moves the winter from a B to an A-, IMO. A week away and still fantasy land for now.

More surprising is NYC has 3.7 more inches than Bangor Me.

25° with 5 inches of snow otg and holding steady. It will take the midweek warmup to finally put an end to the remaining resilient snowpack. The difference between 5 inches of battle tested, compressed, ice encrusted snow that's been around for five weeks and new fallen snow is light night and day regarding staying power, some get that but many still don't.

For a simple system this is what works for me, the CP system of grading winter which can be used in any location. Whatever your seasonal snowfall average is, that should equal the number of days of snowcover for the season as a passing grade. So here in Orange County we average anywhere from 45-55 inches depending on where in the county you live and at what elevation. Here in Highland Mills we average about 50 inches per year. Give me 50 inches of snow in a season and 50 days with snow cover and it's generally acceptable C+, B- area. Then you can factor in the other things, sustained cold spell, significant storms, white Christmas etc. Right now we're at 59.4 inches for the season and 47 days with snow cover with 37 straights days and counting. Generally this would be a B since we will hit 50 days of snow cover, by Monday morning, but the winter as a whole has been above normal temperature wise and of course the Christmas Eve nightmare washing away our white Christmas currently makes it a C+ in my book. Subject to change of course. I don't close the books here until April 15th.

The dreaded south facing hill scenario? Combine that with tall evergreens that only allow minor accumulations underneath, even during raging snowstorms and it's a sustained snowpack nightmare. We all mourn with you.

5 inches of snow otg, 35° , 36 consecutive days of snow cover and 46 days of snow cover for the season. This stuff is holding up tough as we all suspected it would. I would guess it's demise finally comes during next weeks three days in the 50's. By then I will have reached my minimum standard for an acceptable winter of 50 days of snow cover. I still am baffled how some people in the NYC/coastal plain area rated the winter of 2015/16 as an A all from one big blizzard there of 30+ inches and virtually no snow before or after it. I could almost accept that if there was sustained cold and a snow pack that lasted weeks after it, but if memory serves there was a mild spell almost immediately after and it was gone from most of those areas within a week. Everyone has their own grading systems but how is a winter with no sustained snow cover anything above a D?

It’s not like they’re that common around here. I think I remember about three in my entire life. As I remember they were three of the most misreable days of my life. I’m not joining you on this one, give me -20 anyday over that.

Also is there anyway to ban whoever created this thread from creating any more storm threads? If not then tar and feathering might be an appropriate alternative form of punishment. Talk about jumping the gun and killing a threat before it even had a chance to breathe.

Enjoy your time away Walt but I fully expect you back by late October when especially here in the interior northern burbs we start looking for our first measurable snows and we can’t do it without you. Thanks for all of your input and see you around October 25th for full time duty. Rest up and enjoy life till then. Hopefully next winter you’ll have lots more threads to create.

Currently 18° morning low of 14°, windy as hell brutal out, 6.5 inches of snow otg. 34 consecutive days with snow cover and 30 days consecutive above half a foot, 44 days of snow cover for the winter. One of my criteria for a winter to be a C+ or above is 30 consecutive days of snow cover at some point and at least 50 days in total. It looks like both will be met this year. At 59.4 inches for the season now, which is already 10 inches above normal for a full season, any half way decent March should grade this winter out as a B. If somehow we had snow cover for almost all of March this still has B+ potential, however atm that looks unlikely.

I guess it's just a different world there. I'm only 45 miles by way of the crow north of NYC and at elevation of 620 feet, most of Orange County is 500 to 1000 feet above sea level except those towns right on the river, and I had 50 inches of snow March 2, 2018 through April 2, 2018. The first three weeks of March is just a continuation of winter here in most years. Very different climates in this sub forum.

8.5 inches otg this morning. 59.4 inches for the season, 36° currently. As I've stated Ad nauseam the last several days this snow pack is not going anywhere quickly. February was a very good month for snow pack, with over a foot on the ground for 24 of the 28 days. I'll sign for that any year. January was bad, pretty snowless and above normal temps, and December was ruined by the Christmas Eve nightmare which washed away a beautiful white Christmas in one horrifying night. It will be up to March whether this winter grades exceptional or just okay. We shall see.

I think it may be time to shut down this thread. Was opened to early and nothing but bad runs since. We were on a nice hot streak with Walt creating these threads. Why change now, ride the hot hand.

Will easily get through tomorrow with full snow cover. The question is will we make it to the next snowfall, if there is one next weekend, with snow cover.

Cloudy 40° still 9 inches otg. A different world here in the HV.

0.7 inches of snow last night, very cold drizzle now at 33.6° Snowpack holding up solid at an even 10 inches otg. will be interesting to see where it stands Monday morning. My guess would be 8 inches. This isn't going away quickly.

10 inches even otg this morning. As I stated yesterday we now appear to be at the concrete level of the snowpack. Only lost 1/2 an inch yesterday despite full sunshine and a high of 43° No pictures will be provided. If we can't have trust in our stated snow measurements then what hope is there for us to move forward as a country. If we falsify our snow depth the terrorists win.

It looks like today we have reached that hardened, time tested, compressed, frozen level of the snowpack that will be difficult for even the late February and early March sun to penetrate. I started this morning with 10 1/2 inches of snow on the ground and as of 3 o'clock this afternoon I'm sitting with 10 inches even. This despite a full day of sun and temperatures currently in the low 40s. Now I can't promise how it will hold up to rain and low 40s this weekend but I think it will be more resilient than many people think. This of course is just discussion for the Northeast Pennsylvania, Northwest New Jersey, Hudson Valley, Catskill, and Western Connecticut area. This theory does not apply to any of the urbanized areas south of that line.

I would hope so. As I would also hope you were not EPICHECS in a past life.

My condolences. I didn't realize east of the Hudson the snowpcak was that low.What are your YTD and monthly totals Julian?

I think here at least it does, although yesterday did take a toll. I went down from 14 otg yesterday morning to 10.5 otg this morning. This morning becomes my first day with less than a foot otg this month. It was a good 24 day run but not fantastic, like I've never seen, historic, or any of the other hyperbole you may read in the other sub forums from some who act as if they see snow every five years or so. Who knows maybe on the Jersey shore that's their climate, one reason I don't live there.

27° with a 14 inch snow pack and a bit of a warmup on the way. So far I have not had a day in February with less than 12.5 inches of snow otg. Maximum depth was 26.5 inches the evening of February 2nd. Will be interesting to see if we can make it through Sunday with at least a foot on the ground for the entire month, with no significant snow forecast through Sunday it will be close. The liquid equivalent of the snowpack right now is at least 3 inches probably close to four. That will make this 14 inches of snow on the ground right now like melting 3 to 4 feet of snow, it will be tough to do even for a late February sun with temperatures in the low 40s. My guess looking at the forecasts is I'll probably be down to 10 inches on the ground by the end of the day Sunday

He was a loose cannon to put it kindly and I applaud his exile, but he did call out Rob for under measuring, snow melting before he measures, and inebriated measuring. If the allegations are true Rob had us fooled all these years, I feel betrayed.

17 inches otg right now and I could only guess, because I'm to lazy to actual melt it down, but I would say at this point the LE is 3-4 inches. This is the same as having 3-4 feet of snow otg for melting purposes. We will have snow cover here until mid March if it doesn't snow again, but I would hope it does, at least a couple of more times.

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