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F The benchmark. Definitely a term created by someone on Cape Cod or Boston area. Give me inside the benchmark any day and I'll take my chances.

This is the CMC snow equiv map. The problem is it runs through Feb 3 but I believe most if not all of this is snow for Friday through Sunday. If I could I would freeze that right where it is. Most likely this will waver a lot between now and Friday but I'm okay if it doesn't I love when SE New England gets rain, especially living in the HV.

0.3 inches yesterday Took my one year old grandson sledding on it. Other than the dustings of the last several days my 200 pounds didn't sink a tenth of an inch on the current snow pack. Great sledding snow.

Definitely more than a dusting, even more than a coating, but less than an inch. Let's call it a coatinch.

Finally someone that grades winter Nov 25 - April 10, like I do. Temperatures have to at least average normal to below, there has to be a minimum of 45 days of snow cover, preferably 60+, and of course there has to be ice on the river and ponds must be frozen solid. I also throw in a white Christmas and solid December but the last several years those two have not been clicking most years. If i get all of that I'm even okay with somewhat below normal snowfall (about 50 inches per season where i am in Orange County). It's a large forum area wise and I know people in the city and south and east have a totally different criteria.

CMC snow map from 12Z today for the 30th, and the GFS snow map for the 30th from three days ago. Very similar for the northeast, it probably doesn't mean a lot but certainly worth monitoring.

I still don’t get everyone wishing for warm weather in March. It’s just another winter month especially north and west of NYC. To wish for sustained warmth in March is like wishing for sustained cold in September. Off the top of my head I forget the exact figure but something like 5 of the last 8 winters in NYC March has been the snowiest month and north and west a few of those have been epic and I’ve enjoyed every minute. Now if we could somehow flip flop the great Marchs for the lousy December’s we’ve been having snow wise I’d be all on board. Just a pet peeve.

Rob, don't ask me to explain things when I have no idea what point I'm trying to make. I'll throw conspiracy theories out there. They're purposely adding several degrees to their readings to lure tourism? Who wouldn't want to ride a roller coaster in 16° weather. In 10° weather that would be crazy.

It's 10° here right now, and Legoland 10 miles to my west is 16°? They're doing something wrong.

-2° for the morning low. Parts of Northern Orange County -10° to -15°

-2 for the morning low. Julian pretty much nailed it. It doesn’t seem like my neighborhood nails the cold like it use to, it use to be one of those spots that would come in coldest in the area but I’ve noticed that change during the last several years. Not quite sure why.

Also of note regarding February1934, the average temperature that month in NYC was 19.9°. Throw on top of that 27.9 inches of snow that fell that month and it's a winter lovers fantasy, come true. It remains and probably always will, the coldest month recorded in NYC since official records (1870) have been kept. 1.8° colder than the second coldest month ever January 1918's 21.7° average.

Well I know you must be kidding because yesterday snowman19 guaranteed a torch beginning February 1, like has never been seen before and it would last through March and pretty much wipe out the rest of winter. It's not like him to make predictions like that unless they're a sure thing. I actually took out all my spring clothes last night even though it's going to -5° here tomorrow morning. Other than his call in December for a torch in January and the virtual end of winter he's never steered me wrong.

Sitting at 12° at 1:00 I would think with a solid snow pack right now, calm winds and clear skies tonight, there should be plenty of sub zero readings in the HV. Dare I say some in the area take a run at -10°? I'm guessing -5° for tomorrow morning where I am. @Juliancoltonis usually pretty good at calling these nighttime lows. Your thoughts Julian when you have a chance.

Exactly, people have grown so soft. It's seem like one big winter storm is everyone's ideal winter now. It can be mild the rest of the winter and no one seems to care.

Yep same here, 16 inches of snow. We lost a big apple tree in the back from that one. My wife always hated that tree and wanted to take it down and of course she got her wish.

You could say the same about the decades of the 1970’s 1980’s and 1990’s. They were anomalously low. They were actually the three least snowiest decades of all the decades since 1870. It all depends on your perspective.

The 30 year average for the park and la guardia are both 29.8 inches. Actually Central Parks is 29.9 when you add it all up but NOAA posted it as 29.8. Either way it rounds to 30.

Although I only have 12.5 inches on the season which is disappointingly below average for this point in time, I've had a solid snow cover since January 7th which weighs as much into my enjoying winter as the actual snowfall. One blockbuster snowstorm, ala Jan2016, in the middle of a horrendous winter and that melted in most places that it hit within a week is not my idea of winter. To each his own.

NYC's average is 30 inches per season. You're maybe going a little to far in the other direction. But the warming winters do make it tough for the urban areas to keep a snowpack when they get it, and that to me is the more disturbing part.

1.5 inches total, Highland Mills Orange County. Solid snow cover since January 7th. Is that piling on?

Rob: I only have accurate, what I would call precision measurements, since 2011/2012. For the 10 seasons since then through 2020/21 I've averaged 53.8 inches per season. From memory and observations of 2001/02 through 2010/11 I would guess those 10 seasons averaged out pretty similar. Some epic winters in there and a few real stinkers. Either 2002/03, 2009/10 or 2010/11 were at or near 100 inches for the season. I'm thinking it was 2002/03.

Well of course the first thing that sticks out on the Montgomery totals is how can October be zero? The October 29, 2011 storm saw a pretty uniform 12-18 inches across Orange County. Let's use 15 inches as their total for that date and if it never snowed in October in any other year the October average would be 0.5 inches for the 30 year average 1991-2020. There have also been other minor events in October over that time, so there goes the Montgomery accuracy. Unless the data you posted was 1981-2010 averages, even then like you say they seem low.

Done at 1.5 inches. I think I'm the region wide winner on this one.

30° and 1.5 inches new snow, and down to light snow. That should about do it accumulation wise. Nice freshener for the snowpack.