Yea the 850 push was not as strong as this run. Looked only a little north of I84 at its warmest point, if it pans out like this I think this could be mostly snow/sleet inland. I also think happening overnight keeps everyone colder, could be a Snow/Sleet to ZR event even for the immediate suburbs
If there is no initial precip I think it's an all rain event for the city. Maybe 32 degree ZR for Bronx/Upper Manhattan at the start but you won't see much icing until inland. The city needs that initial push to come through, it would also help knock down temps to get that initial burst.
This area is really dependent on the initial push, the RGEM for example has it making it to our area, some models don't. That would be your snow producer, anything after that would likely be rain coast/ice inland.
If I were to guess I'd say 287 will be the dividing line between a cold soaking rain and disruptive icing. I know that's not a big statement but in this storm the freezing line doesn't seem to move much at all the entire time and thats usually where the freezing line sets up.
The icing threat NW of the city will be the big story, however as usual the city and immediate surrounding areas should warm enough for cold rain after the initial snow/sleet
Next weeks storm looks like another non event for the coast, brief mix or snow to rain. Again an interesting storm inland but seems more icy than snowy. Yes I know it can change but this seems to be the pattern so far this year.
Yep at the coast especially you need crazy dynamics to go from 60 to a big snowstorm. Nobodies calling for a big storm though, a few inches is a reasonable expectation with this.
Would like to see the Euro come south to really feel like this storm is in business (it still has accumulating snow only north of the city) however I like the trends a lot. If nothing else the timing of the precip on the frontend has sped up which means it should definitely start snow or sleet.
Yep timing not that favorable either, precip coming in during the daytime hours on Sunday will allow some warming before precip comes in. Of course last November precip came in the afternoon and we all know what happened but as of now this looks like a less favorable setup for front end snow.
Agree I think basically everyone will start as snow or snow/sleet from this, I don't really expect much if any accumulation near the coast but it will be nice to see the first flakes beyond flurries of the season for many. I think once you get into the HV then it's much more tricky in terms of this being a snow to rain event or a significant winter storm depending on the details.
While this is true, this isn't the main reason why this storm won't produce for NYC. We've seen a few November storms that have hit hard even down to NYC, however this is not a pure coastal, it's a bad setup for the coast.