Maestrobjwa Posted 50 minutes ago Share Posted 50 minutes ago In case anybody thinks I'm being too much of doomer about having to wait at least three years if this nino doesn't deliver a big snow: With the assumption that the ninas double dip...it's either this year or 29-30 for the next chance: 10 minutes ago, GaWx said: Looking at El Niño seasons that at some point maxed out at +2.0C for a trimonthly in Nino 3.4 (using Eric Webb’s tables for pre-1950 and the latest version of NOAA RONI for 1950+), this is what followed in ASO as well as the subsequent fall/winter: 1877-8: ASO +0.1 followed by cold neutral 1888-9: ASO -1.1 followed by strong La Niña 1965-6: ASO 0.0 followed by cold neutral 1972-3: ASO -1.3 followed by strong La Niña 1982-3: ASO -0.6 followed by moderate La Niña 1991-2: ASO +0.1 followed by weak El Niño 1997-8: ASO -1.2 followed by strong La Niña 2015-6: ASO -0.9 followed by moderate La Niña Tally for these 8 strongest El Niños on record: 5 La Niña (3 strong, 2 moderate) (62.5%) 2 cold neutral (25%) 1 weak El Niño (12.5%) So, this suggests the best chance is clearly for La Niña although it also suggests to not dismiss the possibility of something else, mainly cold neutral, especially IF this were to peak later than model consensus has been suggesting (say, in Jan instead of Nov). Of the 3 of these that didn’t go to La Niña, 1877-8 peaked between NDJ and DJF while 1991-2 peaked in DJF. OTOH, 1965-6 peaked early (OND) and still didn’t go all the way to La Niña the following year as it stopped at cold neutral. Note that the 3 that were neutral in ASO never made it to La Niña. ____________________ Sources of data: 1. Webb’s tables (used for pre-1950): https://www.webberweather.com/ensemble-oceanic-nino-index.html 2. NOAA RONI (1950+): https://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/analysis_monitoring/enso/roni/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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