InstantWeatherMaps Posted September 13, 2011 Share Posted September 13, 2011 Ouch... Hey wait how did you get into a NOAA conference call? Its open to anyone... You just have to join the right email list to get the number. Not going to say which list because they have very limited spaces and they prefer that it be only people who handle raw model data on a regular basis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ohleary Posted September 14, 2011 Share Posted September 14, 2011 Its open to anyone... You just have to join the right email list to get the number. Not going to say which list because they have very limited spaces and they prefer that it be only people who handle raw model data on a regular basis. So how did you get on the eval list? Are you evaluating the parallel models and providing feedback or did you just find your way to the list? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InstantWeatherMaps Posted September 14, 2011 Share Posted September 14, 2011 So how did you get on the eval list? Are you evaluating the parallel models and providing feedback or did you just find your way to the list? Combination of both... While I'm not currently evaluating parallel models, I do plan to add para maps on a far-future date. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ohleary Posted September 14, 2011 Share Posted September 14, 2011 Combination of both... While I'm not currently evaluating parallel models, I do plan to add para maps on a far-future date. Aah... Are you a Met? I think the desire is to get eval from Met companies, NWS WFO's, NCEP centers, etc. Professional folks who use the models to forecast on a daily basis who can provide feedback on the para model's science compared to the op model. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InstantWeatherMaps Posted September 14, 2011 Share Posted September 14, 2011 Aah... Are you a Met? I think the desire is to get eval from Met companies, NWS WFO's, NCEP centers, etc. Professional folks who use the models to forecast on a daily basis who can provide feedback on the para model's science compared to the op model. No I am not a met, though I do know GrADS and models inside and out, because I own a map site that is extremely performance-optimized. I listened in on the conference call partially because I will hopefully be adding NAM maps to my site within a couple of weeks, and it's always good if I know something about where I'm getting my info from lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baroclinic_instability Posted September 19, 2011 Author Share Posted September 19, 2011 NAM upgrade has been delayed until October. I honestly have no clue why though. Either way, the delays are becoming quite an annoyance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InstantWeatherMaps Posted September 19, 2011 Share Posted September 19, 2011 NAM upgrade has been delayed until October. I honestly have no clue why though. Either way, the delays are becoming quite an annoyance. Can I have a link to the place I can find that info? I didn't get an email about it this time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dtk Posted September 19, 2011 Share Posted September 19, 2011 Can I have a link to the place I can find that info? I didn't get an email about it this time. I don't think anything is official (other than the delay). There was a closed door meeting on Friday afternoon with folks from the director's office, EMC, and NCO. I'm sure there will be an updated TIN/email sent out sometime soon. And to answer BI's questions....the delay (and what was a potential cancellation) is because of feedback received from the service centers (particularly SPC, HPC, and AWC). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baroclinic_instability Posted September 19, 2011 Author Share Posted September 19, 2011 I don't think anything is official (other than the delay). There was a closed door meeting on Friday afternoon with folks from the director's office, EMC, and NCO. I'm sure there will be an updated TIN/email sent out sometime soon. And to answer BI's questions....the delay (and what was a potential cancellation) is because of feedback received from the service centers (particularly SPC, HPC, and AWC). Whoa wow, they were going to cancel the upgrade completely? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dtk Posted September 19, 2011 Share Posted September 19, 2011 Whoa wow, they were going to cancel the upgrade completely? I'm not part of that group (so I wasn't privy to the entire discussion), but it's my understanding that was at least a possibility. From what I gather, the implementation will go as planned although not until sometime in October (similar to the information you heard/provided). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ohleary Posted September 19, 2011 Share Posted September 19, 2011 http://www.nws.noaa.gov/om/notification/tin11-16nam_changes_aac.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ohleary Posted September 20, 2011 Share Posted September 20, 2011 NAM upgrade has been delayed until October. I honestly have no clue why though. Either way, the delays are becoming quite an annoyance. Oct. 18th is the word around here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
okie333 Posted September 20, 2011 Share Posted September 20, 2011 Oct. 18th is the word around here. Will it be the same code as was tested in August? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ohleary Posted September 20, 2011 Share Posted September 20, 2011 Will it be the same code as was tested in August? Yes, but with fixes to the problems that were identified during evaluation...the NAM nest and vertical velocity issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baroclinic_instability Posted September 20, 2011 Author Share Posted September 20, 2011 Oct. 18th is the word around here. Yes, but with fixes to the problems that were identified during evaluation...the NAM nest and vertical velocity issues. Thanks for the info. I am not a modeling expert, but I am not terribly convinced the issues noted above will be fixed within that time period. I wonder how many more postponements we will have... Hopefully the issues can be fixed before winter season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
okie333 Posted September 20, 2011 Share Posted September 20, 2011 Yes, but with fixes to the problems that were identified during evaluation...the NAM nest and vertical velocity issues. Is the severe weak-storm bias being fixed as well, or does raising the Vvel values automatically fix the convective issues? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dtk Posted September 21, 2011 Share Posted September 21, 2011 Thanks for the info. I am not a modeling expert, but I am not terribly convinced the issues noted above will be fixed within that time period. I wonder how many more postponements we will have... Hopefully the issues can be fixed before winter season. Update/Edit: It turns out that the vertical velocity issue was related to an output problem for the vertical velocity fields (and not necessarily something within the model itself). It looks like things should go in as planned on Oct. 18 now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amped Posted October 13, 2011 Share Posted October 13, 2011 10/18 now official unless its a critical weather day. http://nws.noaa.gov/os/notification/tin11-16nam_changes_aad.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baroclinic_instability Posted October 13, 2011 Author Share Posted October 13, 2011 Update/Edit: It turns out that the vertical velocity issue was related to an output problem for the vertical velocity fields (and not necessarily something within the model itself). It looks like things should go in as planned on Oct. 18 now. Well that makes a lot more sense, I was thinking it would take a lot more time to fix something intrinsic to the model itself such as VV fields. I am excited to finally dump the old NAM once and for all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrekkerCC Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 Update/Edit: It turns out that the vertical velocity issue was related to an output problem for the vertical velocity fields (and not necessarily something within the model itself). It looks like things should go in as planned on Oct. 18 now. Did the NAM upgrade go in this morning or did it get delayed again? Model upgrades are usually noted in NCEP/NWS status messages. However, I see no such message for the NAM upgrade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
okie333 Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 Did the NAM upgrade go in this morning or did it get delayed again? Model upgrades are usually noted in NCEP/NWS status messages. However, I see no such message for the NAM upgrade. It's officially up as of the 12Z run! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baroclinic_instability Posted October 18, 2011 Author Share Posted October 18, 2011 It's officially up as of the 12Z run! The improvement is already easy to see. First, no significant wave phase shift which was typical of the old NAM. Th this version of the NAM can actually get the synoptics right. About time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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