schoeppeya

I don't think you have to make it a conspiracy theory to come to the conclusion that excess food consumption is part of American culture, just like excess consumerism is part of American culture. The reason this thread triggers me (for those of you talking about my post count and why I am commenting in this one) is I honestly never realized how many people there are in the country that truly want to sit on their ass, blame other people for their problems, and wait for the government to pass more regulations to fix their lives. I am as "progressive" as they come-a self labeled liberal who thinks healthcare costs are ridiculous and would love to see it be free, supports free college, and thinks life is harder on average for African Americans than white people. But damn, at some point people have to take their own lives into their own hands. Yeah, it takes discipline, its hard, but you always have the power to take responsibility for your own life. This is coming from a former alcoholic who now spends about 14 hours a day making sure I can take care of myself and my family. And honestly, its exhausting to hear somebody wanting me to make ANOTHER change in my life for their protection or to keep them safe because they don't have the discipline or willpower to make ANY steps themselves to keep themselves safe. At some point, it doesn't matter whose fault it is that its easy to get fat, you just have to lose weight. At some point, it doesn't matter what mandates the government has or hasn't passed, you just have to wear your mask, keep your distance, and take the precautions you can to keep yourself and your family safe.

As someone who tracks their budget and does a LOT of grocery shopping, it costs over double/month to a eat diet based in whole foods (what I would consider "healthy") than it does based in processed foods. To your point though, doesn't mean you can't lose weight or cut back consumption. So then you're admitting strict government mandates don't work? Great, we agree they should be lifted then. I haven't seen anybody claim there aren't some people doing that.

We can definitely agree with that. And eating healthy food is a luxury in this country that even a lot of middle class families can't afford.

Can't come up with anything more thoughtful than that? If you want to talk about how language like the post I quoted and gross over-generalizations and saying things on the internet you would never say to somebodies face leads to a lot of the behavior you claim to despise, we can talk about that. If you disagree, we can talk about that too. But regardless of how I feel about those "selfish" peoples politics (I don't agree with most of it), a lot of those people are my friends, family, people I grew up with, and people I know. And a lot of those people are the most caring, thoughtful, giving, selfless people I know.

That's awesome man, 60 pounds is a ton of weight.

You may be correct, but its strange to me that self directed health improvements don't get the same attention as other prevention methods. I.E., "wear a mask, social distance" to minimize the risk you catch it ALONG with "exercise, eat better" to minimize the risk of getting a serious case if you do.

Interesting Great Britain has a higher death per 1000 rate than the United States. Must be more selfish people there than in the US. In all seriousness, I wish studies like these would get more publicity. Something everybody can do for themselves.

https://www.espn.com/espn/story/_/id/31003626/study-shows-less-1-pro-athletes-infected-covid-19-developed-inflammatory-heart-disease Positive study for the sports world.

Why don't you go tell the "selfish" people how selfish they are instead of spewing garbage like that on the internet. Only dipshits operate in binaries and you may be a dipshit, but I am sure you're smart enough not to act like one.

Maybe more of their cases were front loaded when we had less treatments? Another guess, yours makes sense too.

Last time I checked, most people in this country have sacrificed something they enjoy over the last 12 months to help us get through this. Income, jobs, vacations, their mental health, their physical health, their kids well-being... something. And for most people, they weren't at a high risk of getting seriously sick themselves. The whole "America sucks" schtick is old. If you are saying that in response to Texas lifting their mask mandates, at least do a few minutes of research to realize that all the governors order does is give authority to back to local governments and private businesses to order their own mask mandates, which I am sure most will do. The only thing that is clear is that there are people that will search for any reason they can to find somebody they deem morally inferior to themselves to blame for whatever they feel is going wrong in their lives.

We’ve seen plenty of examples throughout the pandemic of stronger restrictions not always equaling less cases. I would guess the mandate was lifted because by that point most of the people in the highest risk group that want the vaccine will have at least one dose of it.

I’m going to be honest man, I just don’t believe your 75/25 number. I’ve seen one person not wearing a mask in a public area in the 4 months since I moved to Indiana and it was almost as equally rare in Oklahoma.

Hm, I haven’t ran into any people like that-certainly none outside of the internet. But maybe you’re out and about more than I am

I understand you’re not arguing that point but I’m confused why you think people who exercise will just assume they can’t get it and then become more likely to spread it. Are you saying that because of Jongers comments?

No, the person I quoted and responded to was using an anecdote to prove a point-I was using an anecdote to demonstrate his anecdote was a pretty worthless one. My second sentence in the response is unrelated to the first-you don't need anecdotes to show that exercise improves Covid outcomes, science does that.

I can point you to literally thousands of college athletes who tested positive for Covid this year with no symptoms. So again, Covid makes some people extremely sick and you have a much higher chance of avoiding that outcome if you "exercise".

And all a mask does is limit your chance of infecting others and yourself, doesn't mean you can't get it. We all still support that, right? The pushback against health improvements that dramatically improve virus outcome is bizarre to me. Surely you're intelligent enough to realize that somebody wanting to take care of their health doesn't make them a "Chad" or more likely to be a super spreader than anybody else. Avoiding a trip to the hospital seems like incentive enough to get into shape, no?

There is going to be some pretty interesting social studies over the next few years to figure out wtf happened over the last year. Just speculation, but I have to think the "severity" of the virus was at exactly the right level to cause an enormous division in how seriously it should be taken. Very, very serious virus for a portion of the population while a large number of symptomless cases also existed. Add in that we have lived in a binary political environment (see @Stebo still talking about how he will wear a mask next winter because he's not one of those cruel, heartless people that will choose not to) and we have a recipe a lot of conflict. I find anti maskers equally as obnoxious as the people who scream at others for not wearing one anytime they are outside, but that's just part of the world we live in I guess. Have to think and hope it will get better.

We are finally ripping big ole flakes at this point

Going to squeak out being in the exact right spot for the pivot... let er rip.

New or including what we got last night/this morning?

Seems like there is actually a decent sized Carmel crew on here

I am a little concerned about the dry slot headed our way but every model is pretty insistent that fills in, so we shall see. Still an awesome storm so far.

It actually looks like they improved a little bit at my location (dead center Carmel) while we were talking about it.