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Interesting to see both these pieces of information come out at the same time

that's how some diseases work. the 1918 flu disproportionately affected young healthy people

also we are much less accustomed to death now. when someone in middle age dies these days we treat it as a shock and something that should be avoided, rather than 100 years ago when it was commonplace for children and young adults to die often(from disease, starvation, war etc.) as humanity progresses we accept less death and for the most part that's a good thing.

what does this even mean?

Once again this thread is just proving how polarizing online discussions become. We either get people complaining about people being out and about without masks or sharing images that make beaches look much more crowded than they are or sharing fake stories about how the new world order has brought this disease upon us to destroy our freedoms and parroting some online information from very questionable sources. Very few people here are actually discussing a productive way to handle this disease.

also disappointed but not shocked by the anti vaccination thoughts here. it doesn't make your immune system weaker, it's provoking the exact same response in your body as if you actually got the disease, that's why it's effective. Though maybe you are right and we should go back to having 15 million deaths a year due to smallpox and 500,000 deaths from polio each year. There's a reason life expectancy has gone up so much in the past 100 years and its not because we're eating more cheeseburgers.

This will be inherently more deadly than the flu because no one has any prior immunity from previous exposure or a vaccine like millions upon millions do every flu season, this is a fact that cannot be denied or argued.

Yeah I remember when everyone could get a test in March. And 60 million antibody tests would be available by the end of April. Lots of people make lots of promises that are rarely fulfilled

It’s mostly still the meat packing plant outbreaks in Green Bay but there were a lot of new cases in Milwaukee and Kenosha counties as well

yeah we are only catching 10% cases so in most states the rate of cases is just the amount of testing. A better method of seeing how many people are infected in each state is to count the deaths and assume the fatality rate is around 0.5-0.7% and calculate the cases from that.

I think a lot of the current spread is in places that people aren't able to social distance (prisons, work at meat packing plants, health care workers, etc.)

How do you propose infecting 80% of the population asap without massively overloading the hospital system. 20% of NYC got infected over 2 months and their system was on the brink of being overloaded.

the infection rate map mostly mirrors the testing rate map which is a good indicator that we're not catching all the cases

that would mean the actual infections have been about 10x the reported infections, if not slightly more.

increasing evidence that Hydroxychloroquine has either no effect or a slight negative impact on patients being treated with it: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.16.20065920v1

the only person that's been called a moron and idiot in the last 5 pages is the governor of Florida. I don't see any other name calling recently and everyone seems civil.

its not the number of deaths that's the scary part its how easily it could overwhelm the hospital system, its why we are doing this.

bought 2 bottles on February 23. Probably the best purchase i made this year

how about we make some sacrifices for the next year but don't shut everything down. both the 'shut everything down' and the 'screw it im gonna live my life like i used to' points of view are unrealistic and will cause the most damage. if we have continued social distancing, good hygeine measures, markedly increased antibody testing, no large gatherings like sporting events and concerts and shorter periods of stricter methods if any areas become hotspots then we don't have to choose from the false dichotomy that you've presented.

May 15 with a slow phase in after that, then maintaining a baseline of social distancing for around next year. Any time we can buy to get better treatments/therapeutics more widely available is essential. We've done a pretty good job flattening this first wave but we need to be prepared for waves to come again later, especially if we relax social distancing too much.

yeah unfortunately fast food is one of the only options for lower income people who are working extended hours during this time, and agreed on alcohol withdrawal. I don't think people realize how many americans are physically dependent on alcohol

And of course the Supreme Court blocked the order so the election is on again

Gov. Evers issued an executive order pushing the Wisconsin election back to June 9th. Great news as I was worried that in person voting tomorrow would cause a great deal of spread in the state

I’m pretty sure this is a fake chart. Here is a screenshot from cdc.gov with the total pneumonia and influenza deaths

its also because most people with mild to moderate symptoms are not going to get tested a second time to see if they are negative for the virus so theres no easy way to add them to the recovered statistic