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While the record warm lakes will modify the air mass when it gets to our area, it’s a great set up for heavy lake effect snow.
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Nice pattern for lake effect snow.
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Top 5 warmest fall for many spots across the region through the 24th.
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Because as we saw last winter, the 500mb Nino ridge over Canada which drove the record warmth was actually more expansive than much stronger El Niño events like 1997-1998 and 1877-1878. The event was a full fledged super El Niño if you take into account the westward extension of the warmest SSTs near and west of the Dateline and record Nino 4s. This essentially rendered the RONI ineffective last winter as a metric for El Niño strength. We got a super El Niño 500 mb and temperature response over North America and globally. The one possible way RONI worked out was the lower number was reflective of the Niña background which helped to boost the ridge in the East much stronger than past El Niños.
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It’s like using temperature departures which keep rising every 30 year period. An equally warm month now as many years ago will have a smaller departure relative to the new warmer 30 year baseline. But the actual temperature will be the same. So RONI is more of a relativity index like 30 year climate normals. To me it’s actual temperatures like the Nino 3.4s which have more weight as the means and departures are more relative metrics like RONI. That why I frequently use rankings vs departures. So departures and RONI still have place when weighed against the actual temperatures.
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RONI is not meant to rate the actual El Nino intensity only what the SSTs in other regions were relative to Nino 3.4.
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I was discussing the strength of the Pacific Jet and the ridge axis ending up well to the east of the old EPS run. So the pattern is different from what the model was originally showing. More amplified ridge out West and deeper trough in East is why the East is forecast to be colder and the West warmer than the earlier runs.
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While the early December pattern will be colder than normal, it really isn’t that cold by early December historical standards. The slightly lower heights near Alaska are allowing some Pacific air mass moderation. Plus the record fall warmth and low snow cover are having an influence.
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It was a borderline super event with one ONI reaching +2.0. A lower RONI doesn’t diminish the actual Nino 3.4 SSTs. So it’s not a metric used to evaluate the El Niño strength.
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Right now we are seeing a constructive interference pattern with the Pacific Jet extensions enhancing the ridge position. Though the position is further east than forecast due to the stronger Pacific Jet influence. My guess is that it will be a battle between those forces for December. If the constructive interference wins out ,then the ridge will stay out West for all of December and only slightly drifting into the Plains at times. But if the the Jet stream disturbances can push through due to the stronger Pacific Jet, then the ridge will shift East by mid to to late December and the whole pattern will relax. So a small difference between the forces can tip the scales one way or another. You can see the older run of the EPS underestimating the Pacific Jet. New run stronger Pacific Jet with lower heights near Alaska Old run EPS weaker jet
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The Pacific Jet is still Niña-like in strength. Notice the trough correcting closer to the Aleutians for the start of December. If the models continue to underestimate it, then the ridge axis will gradually start drifting east in later runs. So it will be a battle between the jet extensions enhancing the ridge and trying to weaken it. Modeling by next week will probably give us a more definitive answer as to where that ridge axis ends up in mid to late December. New run stronger jet carving out trough near the Aleutians with ridge axis into the West Old run jet was weaker with ridge axis further west
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1989 was the last white Thanksgiving but we have warmed up quite a bit since then.
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It’s interesting that we may have both found our way to the Pacific blocking through different means. I was mentioning the mismatch potential back in October with the high amplitude MJO 5 leading to less MJO influence early on in December like we are seeing now. But I wasn’t sure whether it would manifest in December as +PNA, -EPO, or -WPO. It’s good that we can use different approaches and come to a roughly similar conclusion of more blocking on the Pacific side to start December than recent years. The complicating factor I mentioned is that the mismatch is occurring against a much weaker La Niña state than 2020, 2017, and 2010. So we may see more of a competing influence going foreword than those stronger La Niña years. It’s possible we may see a stronger MJO influence later on which would add another competing influence to the mix. It will be fun to see how it goes.
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Yeah, if the +AAM influence starts to wane with a resurgent La Niña cooling and EWBs then we could see this pattern start to shift by mid-December as the Pacific Jet tries to intensify.
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Probably due to the actual temperatures being cold but nothing too extreme for the first week of December. It’s still early in the season and we are starting from a very warm base state this fall. So it will take time to build more impressive cold. We usually have to wait until we get further into the winter like in 20-21 to generate a more impressive Arctic outbreak. 2021 record Arctic outbreak
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It’s been a while since we have seen this much model spread at 84 hours. The Euro has a more consolidated storm. The GFS has 2 weaker waves and is strung out. Still warm with both along the coast but the Euro would give us heavier rains which we need.
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It’s also difficult to compare to the distant past since we don’t measure the snowfall the same way as we used to. https://news.ucar.edu/14009/snowfall-measurement-flaky-history
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It’s being discussed in the main forum in the La Niña thread since we don’t have a December thread here yet.
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It looks like the Great Lakes should open for business first.
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The higher temps than forecast are steepening the low level lapse rates leading to some peak gusts over 40.
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Morristown won’t be getting anywhere near -10 in early December. They have warmed up quite a bit since 2002. That was the last time Morris County saw 0° cold first week of December. But as I said the -EPO +PNA this year won’t have the real Arctic cold to work in those areas first week of December coming off one of the warmest falls on record across North America. Data for December 1, 2002 through December 7, 2002 Click column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending. BOONTON 1 SE COOP 15 CHATHAM 2 W COOP 10 LONG VALLEY COOP 0
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It will be interesting to see if the records committee in NJ can confirm the new state snowfall record for November.
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We will need to extended this pattern into mid to late December to get any noteworthy cold vs past events around NYC with how warm the Lakes and Eastern Canada are starting out.
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Yeah, Newark is on track for one of their latest first freezes. Frost/Freeze Summary for NEWARK LIBERTY INTL AP, NJ Each section contains date and year of occurrence, value on that date. Click column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending. 1985 04-10 (1985) 30 12-02 (1985) 30 235 1979 04-08 (1979) 31 11-29 (1979) 32 234 2016 04-10 (2016) 31 11-28 (2016) 32 231 2010 03-27 (2010) 28 11-27 (2010) 32 244 1978 04-03 (1978) 31 11-25 (1978) 32 235
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I am showing the model output which is forecasting a colder pattern for early December but not as cold as would be suggested by what has occurred with those teleconnections in the past. You keep bringing up the term agenda for some reason. If I have an agenda at all it’s trying to figure out the actual pattern. If that triggers you in some way look within yourself.
