RobertSul

I’d imagine bringing home the disease and severely sickening/killing vulnerable loved ones would also drive up suicidal ideation, not to mention hospital staff dealing with an unending influx of patients, like this ER doctor in NYC. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1195656

With temperature forecast to be around 70 this weekend, I hope this ends up being a good practice round for people maintaining safe protocols as they venture out. The good news is that there appears to be an adequate amount of PPE for healthcare workers and civilians can now get masks at gas stations.

Lol people WERE arguing the merits of testing which is why I was responding. But not everywhere is a high risk facility, so you wouldn’t need tens of millions a day.

Asymptomatic carriers still test positive and just drives the case for more testing. You’re not stuck just relying on telltale signs like coughing and sneezing to isolate potential carriers. Weekly or even daily tests at high-risk facilities like meat-packing plants would be wise - those who test positive are sent home for two weeks and the plant doesn’t shut down.

That’s like saying that Hurricane Watches are useless and people should wait until the death toll/structural damage numbers of a storm come in. The death/recovery rates lag by a couple weeks from initial symptoms. If you have a sudden surge of cases, you can at least try to prepare a week or so in advance.

I’d hope all that medical equipment would have serial numbers that can be tracked throughout the process.

A violent sneeze can travel at 100mph, and the virus can be transmitted through sneezing, so it wouldn’t be hard to imagine that particles can drift along a moderate breeze given that the protective aerosol remains intact. There’s also impact load to consider - the more concentrated the particles, the worse the potential outcome as your body might not have as much time to ramp up its immunological defenses against ‘x’ copies, before any multiplication occurs in the new host. I’d think a breeze would diffuse the particles so it also wouldn’t be quite as heavily concentrated? Edit: I am not a doctor, let alone a virologist or microbiologist, and for all I know there might be an element of micro-shear in the wind that is likely to tear up an aerosol bubble. There are probably other factors I’m overlooking, but this is my best attempt at an educated opinion.

Some of those cases might be due to the 100 protestors who gathered outside the state house on Monday.

30,000 people have died in this country WITH most states’ restrictions. What would you do if you had a heart attack, stroke, appendicitis, kidney stones, car accident, organ failure, or any other deadly or painful malady that’d require hospitalization but all the hospitals around you were beyond capacity? Not to mention those with chronic conditions which require frequent trips to see a doctor.

We live in a society where change is cast by voting. I love this country and I want to see it improve, as do you, but we’re probably just coming at the solution from different directions. With climate, you can’t change it by voting. Moving is the ONLY option.

You definitely bring up valid points. The thing is, we’re the nation with the highest GDP in the world, why is our safety net in tatters like those of developing countries? Same with our healthcare. I’m all for capitalism, but there has to be SOME redistribution - make the top too heavy and everything below gets crushed. Too much equalizing and people don’t want to work as hard. There’s definitely a Goldilocks zone between these two extremes. We’re all working through this virus and the ensuing economic impact together, and we all want the best. The fear is that this is unprecedented in the modern age, but certain parts of the economy (e-services, agriculture, delivery services, etc.) are continuing to hum along while other industries are in sleep mode. Vaccines and antibodies are being worked on in the meantime, and there’s never been a mass scale human effort to combat a virus like we have now. The main effort is to prevent the crash of hospitals not just for COVID patients, but those with ANY medical emergency... which can happen at any age. Once we get over that hump, things will gradually return to normal. I know it’s a time plagued with uncertainty, but we’re all in this together and we’ll all pull through.

COVIDiots

Meat processing plants have stayed open, and they're starting to close down as a result of COVID spreading through the workers. So in those cases, not only are you having to close them off anyway, but people are unnecessarily sick and dying. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/apr/13/south-dakota-pork-plant-closes-after-200-workers-contract-covid-19

Cause and effect. Ohio has much more reasonable rules because there’s a much lower case count. Had Whitmer rolled out these strict guidelines from the very beginning, you’d have a point. Thing is, Ohio and Michigan rolled out the same regulations at the same time in March, and yet the impact of the virus is more severe here. And you don’t think there’s something seriously sociopathic about preferring everyone be dead over a *temporary* suspension of some of your liberties? When everything resumes back to normal, you know who won’t be mulching and planting and going on with life? People who’ve died so that others could get a bucket of paint or a bag of mulch at Meijer. I fail to see how your scale of morality tips towards the *permanency* of death over the *temporary* suspension of the *non-essential*. I can only assume you live in a rural area where you’re not at high risk and can’t possibly appreciate or fathom the ramifications that a small trip outside your home has on the survivability of you or those around you. I don’t think you understand what it’s like to hear sirens whirring by a dozen times a day when before it’d been just once or twice. And I don’t think you appreciate the exhaustion and the REAL SACRIFICE (not being able to paint and mulch for a month or two are not REAL SACRIFICES) that our hospital staff are going through during this extremely stressful period, and why they’re pleading for people to just stay the f*ck home.

You understand it’s serious, but you’d still rather be able to have more avenues to spread this extremely contagious disease? A golf game and other non-essentials are more important to you than the pain and suffering this disease has caused and will continue to cause?

You’re right, that’s also a really bad result. When comparing the crappy elements in both cases, it’s the lesser of two evils and hopefully more liquor stores will end up delivering, if they don’t already.

Alcohol Withdrawl can be a serious and even life-threatening acute disorder, definitely not something you want tens of thousands of people going through at the same time, which would then lead to an additional strain on our hospitals. The lottery provides funding for our schools and should be moved to online. Fast food drive-through is a quick, easy, cheap, efficient way to provide food for people who don’t have cooking at home as an option, especially those working extremely long shifts at hospitals, first-responders, etc.

There are people who rely on medicinal marijuana to ease their suffering, and these “pot shops” provide curbside and delivery just as restaurants do. The lottery tickets on the other hand should be done online and last I knew this was being looked into.

Necessities are necessities are necessities. The less people going to stores looking for non-essentials, the less people this’ll spread to. Imagine if just one person with COVID, who only wanted to buy garden supplies and wouldn’t have been at the store otherwise, spread it to you, only for you to spread it to the disabled vet you’re caring for and his elderly parents. Gardens can be re-planted, dead people can’t be revived.

Impoverished people are less likely to have consistent access to things we take for granted like sanitizing wipes (If you could only afford them or necessities like food on any given day you’d go with the food), are more likely to work in fast food/convenience stores/grocers where they’re underpaid and are in constant contact with the general public, rely more heavily on public transportation, have less access to amenities in the house so boredom would invariably draw them outside, and poorer nutrition which leads to hypertension/diabetes. That’s on top of limited access to healthcare. It’s really disheartening and one can certainly see how all these factors combine to form these tragic numbers. As the most powerful (economically and militarily) country in the world, we really should be doing better. Capitalism is great and has given us a bevy of inventions and luxuries, but runaway capitalism without checks and balances, where the ceiling expands at a seemingly exponential rate while the floor essentially stays the same, is very problematic.

Not to mention warm weather on its own will likely draw a lot of people out.

‘Should be’ and ‘what is’ are two entirely different things.

According to the new cases/new deaths sorted listing, Alabama ranks pretty low. I guess I don’t see why they’d be worse off than anywhere else at this moment.

That number is skewed because of the many new cases over the past several weeks. Any time this virus hits a new place, the deaths outpace the recoveries for a short period of time before the trend sharply reverses. It’s just happening in a lot of new places right now.

I read that December 23rd was when the virus was first noted as novel and spreading, and Hubei closed down January 23rd. That’s a little over 4 weeks, with a brand new virus that they certainly didn’t have the data then that we have now. As you very well know, closing down a province that has a larger population than California couldn’t be taken lightly with the limited information they had then, and WHO had even commended China on its swift response. I am by no means saying that China’s censorship and suppression aren’t problematic (they very well are), but in this case you’re looking at the situation with 20/20 vision, with the knowledge you possess two months after Hubei’s closure. By contrast, when this virus entered our shores on January 21st, it wasn’t until 2 months later that states started sheltering in place, and there still aren’t any wholesale traveling restrictions (at least that I’m aware of).