michsnowfreak

DTX has had snow paids for years as when the NWS moved from DTW to White Lake in 1995 the FAA was not doing a great job. It makes sense to have a snowpaid observer in a nearby proper measuring area rather than airports that are making it increasingly difficult to measure on site. Ever since chicagostorm mentioned the T depth thing, I've been browsing a bunch of f6s. It seems almost every NWS except LOT includes T depths in their f6 (whether it's in the FAA logs or not). I get that the FAA has their thing, but no reason official weather data shouldn't be precise as it has been for well over a century.

1/5/14 PV all day for me

It's so confusing. Have we had a decent storm yet this winter? No. But many if not most haven't. And NO ONE had had a storm thats up to his criteria. Suddenly a 4-8" storm elsewhere is decent but when we get that its nowhere near good enough. And all from a computer screen by a palm tree. It's telling when the only like he gets is from a fellow troll. Unless he deletes his post history, you can find some true gems from years past. God forbid someone actually enjoys what their dished out with winter instead of sitting at home throwing a tantrum about it. In fact I may go on a frozen hike tmrw at a metropark. Have the day off, why not.

Whether it snows good in April or not, the wild up and down from tastes of summer to tastes of winter and back againwill surprise him. Looking much more active for this region as the jet stream lifts north to end January into February. Let's see if it actually pans out

I'm more a baseball than football fan. But I was certainly pulling for them. My baseball superstition followed me as I just HATED how "favored" they were. The underdog team always shows up to kill.

Not even a major snowstorm. He has said many times he wouldn't come home for a 6-12" snowstorm. It must be nearly apocalyptic. I remember him ridiculing the 2021 storm that dropped 8-10", even though it left 12-18" of snow on the ground area wide in its wake, and now he "doesn't recall it". He actually complained about the historic 2013-14 winter. You know, the one with 94.9" of snow, record cold, and record annihalating snowdepth in the double digits for MONTHS...because no single storm had over 12". Of course, the following winter had the GHDII storm where DTW got 16.7", but that storm was ridiculed for taking too long (it was like 26 hours). Meanwhile if the east coast gets a 3-6" or 4-8" storm, no matter how long it's been.. watch out! His M.O. is clear.

Thanks. Definitely fortunate to have some snow considering so many areas dont, but it's still frustrating when you get a random mini thaw to take away 2/3 of your snowpack during a winter full of suppression. Not gonna lie though, it is fun to walk on that crunchy hard stuff when it freezes solid lol. Hoping for much more activity for our sub the 2nd half of winter. Weeklies say we will, but you know the drill with that.

The cold is filtering in and everything is turning icy following last nights pointless rain. Ready for the Arctic hounds to unleash.

It's kind of the complete opposite of 2022-23. That winter was so mild but we were able to get multiple potent winter storms. This winter so far had just been suppression city. No lack of cold at all, but a lack of synoptic precip. Ice fisherman should be in their glory this year.

I can't "spin" a winter into anything until it's over. Snowfall and temps being avg, below, or above avg is literally not even debatable. It is either avg, above, or below. See, i like winter, so yeah im going to prefer a colder whiter winter over a warmer one, even when its not snowing as much as id like. Oh and we've had multiple warning criteria snowstorms the last 6 years (7 storms of 6"+), as has been pointed out many times.

Atlanta hasn't gotten more than Chicago. But this pattern unfortunately is what suppression city gets you

As do i look forward to your continuous lies and exaggerations about recent/past winters and storms (which are constantly proven wrong by me and others). It's kind of wild how it bothers you so much that I like all aspects of winter, especially since you don't even live here most of winter.

Picked up 0.30" of rain and a trace of snow early this morning. Even when a thaw isn't anything impressive (warmest was 38°) seems to maximize its irritation factor. Sunny all day yesterday and then dewpoints to 36° overnight with the rain. About 1-2" of snowpack left which is glaciating. The type where yards/parks/protected areas are 95% covered but near busy roads it's a mix of grass/snow. At least it'll be mostly white.

lol of course theres a shot at a late winter snow. Your area can literally get snowstorms into April. But theres absolutely nothing in mid-January that is going to shed any light on whether or not you get a big storm the remainder of this winter.

I think any snow melting weather is gross lol. I loathed seeing the sun today haha.

So true about lake effect. We see lots of flakes from lake effect here but are never in those insane bands so dont know the pleasure of having 3 feet while 10 miles away has nothing. Today will only be the 2nd day of January at Detroit to not see any snowfall. DTW is at 12.5" on the season but at least we have snowcover and the lake ice is getting thicker by the day (other than the blip of mild weather today). Not at all the pattern youd expect in a La Nina but its definitely winter.

Agree. I've always said it and the last many years have magnified it. I'll take our climate any day over the east. Way too feast or famine there. It's been nice to have the daily snow. Certainly have to think the pattern will change as shown. While it likely won't allow everyone to score big, it will certainly bring more winter storms to the region.

The dreaded thaw before the cold today. Snowpack is 4" and has some good bulk to it. But hate seeing the sun and above freezing temps. Should definitely lose some. Then tonight rain develops and turns to wet snow then temps crash tmrw.

I hope west of MI gets some snow soon. It's been snowing here nearly every day and while we won't be getting anything big, it's nice to have snowpack for the deepfreeze. The east coast snow drought has definitely been worse than here. They've set records for longest periods without so many inches of snow in Boston, new york city, etc. It's not been a good winter so far for big storms outside of a few instances, so hopefully the more active look after this week pans out for many.

Oh wow. Depth is 4" at DTW. Talking of snow measurement, this link has a bunch of neat information. If you click the link for "snow paid locations", it will show all first order stations and whether snow is measured by the NWS forecast office, FAA contract, or snow paid observer at a nearby site. https://www.weather.gov/coop/standards

Wow I never knew that! DTX first order sites are snow-paids, and I know I've seen most other midwest sites do T in their depth columns too (i look at a lot of F6s). But this makes sense why LOT doesn't. The FAA is so annoying. I love doing it the old school way. Detroit climate has always done T. I know 1948 is when they changed snow depth to whole numbers instead of tenths of inches.

Any idea why they do this at ORD? We still have T depth at DTW/FNT.

I remember the 1996 cold snap with completely bare ground too. Not as cold as Chicago, but still 3 straight days with lows below zero. Ahh the winter of 1995-96 from, Chicago to Detroit. ORD may hang onto their 1" depth tho?

Yup. Was a very pretty snowfall today, the real fluffy kind. Finished with 1.5" here and 1.4" at DTW. Ive now nickled and dimed my way to 7.4" in January and 12.9" on the season. Definitely looks like winter outside.

Maybe you'll get lucky. The 384 hour op GFS has an impeccable record.