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3 hours ago, Wannabehippie said:

 

Wouldn't rooftop stations give us inaccurate readings due to elevation?

Rooftops are usually like driveways, much hotter than the grass surfaces.   

17 minutes ago, nycwinter said:

could not get a more perfect day for the fourth of july comfortable temps very low humidity and a gentle breeze it felt great outside..

I actually sat outside all morning, and occasionally a few times this afternoon.  Unbelievable!

16 hours ago, Wannabehippie said:

What the heck happened to the entire first floor of that second picture. 

 

Disintegrated.  Any wreckage either wound up in a nearby marina, or was washed into the Barnegat Bay.  What I find unbelievable is that they said that there were not any underwater obstructions after Sandy.  My boat, mounted on the trailer, snapped off and settled in a nearby federal wetlands.  Sea Tow insurance would not take it, and they said it would be a few thousand to rescue it.  Luckily, I declared it lost and the insurance took claim of it.  Later, the federal government said I had to move it, but I told them the insurance company now "owns" it.  The area, Good Luck Pont in Bayville NJ was a total war zone.  I had thought I would never see so much damage in person...

2 hours ago, IrishRob17 said:

I know many like extreme weather and some even root for damage but I wonder if those have ever had damage? It’s not fun and the damage I had years ago wasn’t too bad but still not fun. A close colleague of mine was in the East Coldenham Elementary School disaster, she was in the cafeteria and lost classmates. That experience has had significant long term effects on her mental health. .66” here this morning, I thankfully missed the worst, 63/61.  

My house after Sandy, one of my neighbor's houses after Sandy...

5 hours ago, LibertyBell said:

Yes, that's the way we are getting higher average temperatures.  High temperatures are going up too, but at a slower rate than low temperatures.  I think at some point the high temperatures will flatten out depending on how close you are to the ocean.  For example, JFK's average high temperatures will probably flatten out at under 90 but higher than 85 (based on the temperature increase data I've looked at.) While EWR's average high temperatures will probably flatten out at under 95 but higher than 90.  

I don't know, I think 103 degrees is pretty high...

36 minutes ago, LibertyBell said:

But average temperatures <> extreme temperatures  I would much rather have higher highs than have average temperatures increase.  The differences between our highs and lows seems to be becoming less.

That's because our night time lows are higher...

7 hours ago, LibertyBell said:

Maybe we are cycling back to longer and more intense heatwaves in the East now..... it's frustrating for all those records to be from the 40s and 50s and 60s and for a few years in the 90s.

We need to end the corn and soy subsidies in the MW, those crops ramp up the humidity.

No worries, almost every year our average temperatures increase.  We need some good northern hemisphere volcanic action (just not around here)...

1 hour ago, LibertyBell said:

you're losing the forest for the trees. Since you love AI so much, here is an AI briefing on that summer:

 

AI Overview

 

 

The summer of 1980 was exceptionally hot, particularly in the Southern and Southeastern United States

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Key aspects of the 1980 heat wave:

• Duration and Intensity:
  • The heat wave extended from June to September in some areas, driven by a strong, persistent high-pressure system.
  • Dallas/Fort Worth experienced temperatures exceeding 100°F for almost six consecutive weeks.
  • Wichita Falls, Texas, recorded an unprecedented temperature of 117°F.
  • In Kansas City, Missouri, temperatures reached 100°F or more for 17 consecutive days.
  • Dallas-Fort Worth set numerous heat records, including the all-time highest temperature of 113°F (on June 26th and 27th) and the longest streak of days with high temperatures of at least 100°F (42 days).
  • The summer of 1980's average temperature in July for Dallas-Fort Worth was 92°F, making it the hottest month on record based on average temperature.
• Impact on the Population:
  • Extreme heat was a major factor in a significant number of deaths, with estimates ranging from 1,250 to 10,000 nationwide.
  • In Missouri alone, there were 389 heat-related deaths.
  • In St. Louis and Kansas City, deaths from all causes increased significantly in July 1980 compared to previous years without heat waves.
  • Elderly individuals and the urban poor were particularly vulnerable.
  • Many lacked air conditioning, making it difficult to cope with the extreme heat.
• Drought Conditions:
  • The high-pressure system inhibited thunderstorm development, leading to severe drought conditions.
  • The Ozarks, for instance, were under extreme drought conditions.
  • The dry conditions contributed to even higher temperatures.
• Economic Impact:
  • The heat and drought severely damaged crops and livestock, leading to estimated agricultural losses of around $20 billion.
  • Corn and soybean harvests were reduced by up to 50% in some areas.
  • Livestock suffered greatly, with thousands of cattle deaths reported.
  • Dairy cow milk production declined.
  • These losses impacted the economy, causing food prices to rise and contributing to the failure of some family farms. 

In summary, the summer of 1980 was characterized by a widespread and prolonged heat wave that caused significant human mortality, agricultural losses, and economic damage across the United States. 

June 2025 was hot.  Newark was 2.5 degrees warmer than "normal" (the new norm), and had days over 100 degrees.  That is hot...

44 minutes ago, Brian5671 said:

BUST

I am over critical, but I wouldn't call 5 degrees a bust...

49 minutes ago, Sundog said:

I'm in the low 90s. I thought it was supposed to be like 87 today?

Always bet on warmer than predicted...

On 6/28/2025 at 1:20 PM, LibertyBell said:

sucks no 1980 style continuous heat, but at least the peaks are higher this year (for us anyway).
 

Thank goodness.  At my age, sustained heat might be the final nail...

40 minutes ago, LibertyBell said:

wow I love this place, you're right near I-80 and the Delaware Water Gap??

Everything is so lush and green now!!

Milford PA to Smithfield Beach, just a few miles north of the Gap...

Friday was a perfect day for a paddle down the Delaware River.  3 Bald Eagle sightings (one atop the dead tree), and an unbelievable shad run.  You could see their white dorsal and tail fins breaking the surface like a shark...

1 minute ago, JerseyWx said:

No you're missing the point.  The UHI is why it was over 90 degrees after midnight in the city areas, where I was like 77 or so.

I'm in a "suburb" in Union County NJ, and it was near 90 around midnight.  I don't think anyone  on this board has any uncertainties about the urban heat island effect.

2 hours ago, JerseyWx said:

Urban Heat Island effect??

Just the opposite.  I can't say the the Urban Heat Island effect was responsible for THI values over 100 for such a large area.

7 hours ago, JerseyWx said:

I can't imagine being above 90 as we approach midnight.  It's so crazy looking at Wundermap right now around Manhattan, Brooklyn, etc.  I've never experiened a phenomenon like that.  Textbook example of the UHI.

79 here.

UHI?  Mongo dunno.  I saw THI values up and down the entire east coast over 100 degrees...

1 minute ago, LibertyBell said:

I think yesterday was worse because of higher dew points.  It feels very cool this morning.

38% relative humidity doesn't sound that high from Monday afternoon, but with the dew points at 70 degrees or higher is what we felt...

What a stark contrast between standing on my driveway vs. under a tree in 100 degree temperatures.  I wouldn't want to be working outside in either location.

2 minutes ago, PhiEaglesfan712 said:

How is this even possible?

I think it's from the buildup of a static charge in storm clouds?

33 minutes ago, Sundog said:

How far SW can it go. Just an epic bust on the models 

The models yes, but some sniffed it out.  Unfortunately, most did not have it in their official forecasts.  The NWS did highly consider it as a possibility in their discussion.  For most of us, it's just a "busted" forecast, but for those who ventured out into local waterways, it was another story.

31 minutes ago, Brian5671 said:

Upton still has BDR hitting 93-yet it's only 80 there right now....

If there was meteorological gambling, I would put $100 on EWR to hit 90 today...

58 minutes ago, LibertyBell said:

I think the geese would stay away if people didn't litter so much (same goes for rats).

Rats, yes, geese, this was their habitat...

27 minutes ago, LibertyBell said:

Incidentally, there's a major push in NYC and other large urban cities like Chicago, to greenify the city.  Because UHI has major health implications too.  The pledge is to make the city at least 30% green by 2030 and remove a lot of the concrete pollution where people live.  We're also seeing it with the push for rooftop gardens, urban farming, community gardens, etc.  So maybe greening the city will help control UHI and its health implications on people (while also cleaning the air, as more greenery means less air pollution and lower asthma rates too.)

 

and yet in the "suburbs", they continue to fill in the spaces between the spaces...

2 minutes ago, LibertyBell said:

thinking it's fertilizer runoff.

Fertilizer can definitely increase the growth of algae, which some bloom has already shut down Spruce Run in western Jersey from swimming for the year.  Happens to that lake more so than others?

57 minutes ago, LibertyBell said:

a couple of beaches on Long Island are closed because of elevated bacteria levels thanks to excessive rainfall and runoff from hazardous chemicals....

What does hazardous chemicals have to do with elevated bacteria levels, unless the "hazardous" chemicals are a food source for the bacteria, but I would be surprised if that growth would happen naturally.  More likely a washout from a wastewater treatment plant from a sudden storm or just from leaching out of local septic tanks and leach fields.