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46 minutes ago, LibertyBell said:

Just heard that Con Edison intends to raise electric and gas prices.

PSEG raised the rates about 30%, but they made a deal with the state to "even out" the cost so there are no obvious peaks, hoping people don't notice as much.  What I don't understand is that PSEG doesn't even generate the electricity anymore, they are just in charge of transmission.  They sold the generation off to Parkway Generation about 2 years ago.  

7 minutes ago, Sundog said:

I peaked at 97 degrees, now 96 degrees. 

96/74, what a pleasant afternoon. 

46 minutes ago, JerseyWx said:

I just picked up a new Telecaster so it lives in the case regardless lol.  

I am ignorant of guitar care, except I had one low grade acoustic crack, (and additionally I took an ovation on a camping trip and the bridge broke off overnight when it got down near freezing).  An electric guitar is sensitive to humidity as well, as far as splitting or cracking?

52 minutes ago, forkyfork said:

the dewpoint stays above 70 on the entire 0z euro run

I guess that means I can keep my guitar out of the case, even with AC, humidity in the house is around 45%...

9 hours ago, LongBeachSurfFreak said:

Yeah I agree with all that, climate change most certainly makes these flood disasters more likely. I’m referring more to defunding research and cloud seeding is prohibitively expensive. So there is no way it’s happening on a large scale. It was tried with hurricanes in the 50/60s with silver iodide with limited results. 

In general, global warming does lend itself to providing more moisture, but certainly every event cannot be blamed on that.  Floods have been happening since the beginning of time.  A large portion of society have flocked to live in coastal areas.  Others inhabit areas below sea level.  And our population keeps encroaching on what used to be rural areas, so more and more people are affected by bad weather.  I can't believe anybody on this site believes in "Chemtrails"...

3 hours ago, Wannabehippie said:

 

Wouldn't rooftop stations give us inaccurate readings due to elevation?

Rooftops are usually like driveways, much hotter than the grass surfaces.   

17 minutes ago, nycwinter said:

could not get a more perfect day for the fourth of july comfortable temps very low humidity and a gentle breeze it felt great outside..

I actually sat outside all morning, and occasionally a few times this afternoon.  Unbelievable!

16 hours ago, Wannabehippie said:

What the heck happened to the entire first floor of that second picture. 

 

Disintegrated.  Any wreckage either wound up in a nearby marina, or was washed into the Barnegat Bay.  What I find unbelievable is that they said that there were not any underwater obstructions after Sandy.  My boat, mounted on the trailer, snapped off and settled in a nearby federal wetlands.  Sea Tow insurance would not take it, and they said it would be a few thousand to rescue it.  Luckily, I declared it lost and the insurance took claim of it.  Later, the federal government said I had to move it, but I told them the insurance company now "owns" it.  The area, Good Luck Pont in Bayville NJ was a total war zone.  I had thought I would never see so much damage in person...

2 hours ago, IrishRob17 said:

I know many like extreme weather and some even root for damage but I wonder if those have ever had damage? It’s not fun and the damage I had years ago wasn’t too bad but still not fun. A close colleague of mine was in the East Coldenham Elementary School disaster, she was in the cafeteria and lost classmates. That experience has had significant long term effects on her mental health. .66” here this morning, I thankfully missed the worst, 63/61.  

My house after Sandy, one of my neighbor's houses after Sandy...

5 hours ago, LibertyBell said:

Yes, that's the way we are getting higher average temperatures.  High temperatures are going up too, but at a slower rate than low temperatures.  I think at some point the high temperatures will flatten out depending on how close you are to the ocean.  For example, JFK's average high temperatures will probably flatten out at under 90 but higher than 85 (based on the temperature increase data I've looked at.) While EWR's average high temperatures will probably flatten out at under 95 but higher than 90.  

I don't know, I think 103 degrees is pretty high...

36 minutes ago, LibertyBell said:

But average temperatures <> extreme temperatures  I would much rather have higher highs than have average temperatures increase.  The differences between our highs and lows seems to be becoming less.

That's because our night time lows are higher...

7 hours ago, LibertyBell said:

Maybe we are cycling back to longer and more intense heatwaves in the East now..... it's frustrating for all those records to be from the 40s and 50s and 60s and for a few years in the 90s.

We need to end the corn and soy subsidies in the MW, those crops ramp up the humidity.

No worries, almost every year our average temperatures increase.  We need some good northern hemisphere volcanic action (just not around here)...

1 hour ago, LibertyBell said:

you're losing the forest for the trees. Since you love AI so much, here is an AI briefing on that summer:

 

AI Overview

 

 

The summer of 1980 was exceptionally hot, particularly in the Southern and Southeastern United States

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Key aspects of the 1980 heat wave:

• Duration and Intensity:
  • The heat wave extended from June to September in some areas, driven by a strong, persistent high-pressure system.
  • Dallas/Fort Worth experienced temperatures exceeding 100°F for almost six consecutive weeks.
  • Wichita Falls, Texas, recorded an unprecedented temperature of 117°F.
  • In Kansas City, Missouri, temperatures reached 100°F or more for 17 consecutive days.
  • Dallas-Fort Worth set numerous heat records, including the all-time highest temperature of 113°F (on June 26th and 27th) and the longest streak of days with high temperatures of at least 100°F (42 days).
  • The summer of 1980's average temperature in July for Dallas-Fort Worth was 92°F, making it the hottest month on record based on average temperature.
• Impact on the Population:
  • Extreme heat was a major factor in a significant number of deaths, with estimates ranging from 1,250 to 10,000 nationwide.
  • In Missouri alone, there were 389 heat-related deaths.
  • In St. Louis and Kansas City, deaths from all causes increased significantly in July 1980 compared to previous years without heat waves.
  • Elderly individuals and the urban poor were particularly vulnerable.
  • Many lacked air conditioning, making it difficult to cope with the extreme heat.
• Drought Conditions:
  • The high-pressure system inhibited thunderstorm development, leading to severe drought conditions.
  • The Ozarks, for instance, were under extreme drought conditions.
  • The dry conditions contributed to even higher temperatures.
• Economic Impact:
  • The heat and drought severely damaged crops and livestock, leading to estimated agricultural losses of around $20 billion.
  • Corn and soybean harvests were reduced by up to 50% in some areas.
  • Livestock suffered greatly, with thousands of cattle deaths reported.
  • Dairy cow milk production declined.
  • These losses impacted the economy, causing food prices to rise and contributing to the failure of some family farms. 

In summary, the summer of 1980 was characterized by a widespread and prolonged heat wave that caused significant human mortality, agricultural losses, and economic damage across the United States. 

June 2025 was hot.  Newark was 2.5 degrees warmer than "normal" (the new norm), and had days over 100 degrees.  That is hot...

44 minutes ago, Brian5671 said:

BUST

I am over critical, but I wouldn't call 5 degrees a bust...

49 minutes ago, Sundog said:

I'm in the low 90s. I thought it was supposed to be like 87 today?

Always bet on warmer than predicted...

On 6/28/2025 at 1:20 PM, LibertyBell said:

sucks no 1980 style continuous heat, but at least the peaks are higher this year (for us anyway).
 

Thank goodness.  At my age, sustained heat might be the final nail...

40 minutes ago, LibertyBell said:

wow I love this place, you're right near I-80 and the Delaware Water Gap??

Everything is so lush and green now!!

Milford PA to Smithfield Beach, just a few miles north of the Gap...

Friday was a perfect day for a paddle down the Delaware River.  3 Bald Eagle sightings (one atop the dead tree), and an unbelievable shad run.  You could see their white dorsal and tail fins breaking the surface like a shark...

1 minute ago, JerseyWx said:

No you're missing the point.  The UHI is why it was over 90 degrees after midnight in the city areas, where I was like 77 or so.

I'm in a "suburb" in Union County NJ, and it was near 90 around midnight.  I don't think anyone  on this board has any uncertainties about the urban heat island effect.

2 hours ago, JerseyWx said:

Urban Heat Island effect??

Just the opposite.  I can't say the the Urban Heat Island effect was responsible for THI values over 100 for such a large area.

7 hours ago, JerseyWx said:

I can't imagine being above 90 as we approach midnight.  It's so crazy looking at Wundermap right now around Manhattan, Brooklyn, etc.  I've never experiened a phenomenon like that.  Textbook example of the UHI.

79 here.

UHI?  Mongo dunno.  I saw THI values up and down the entire east coast over 100 degrees...

1 minute ago, LibertyBell said:

I think yesterday was worse because of higher dew points.  It feels very cool this morning.

38% relative humidity doesn't sound that high from Monday afternoon, but with the dew points at 70 degrees or higher is what we felt...

What a stark contrast between standing on my driveway vs. under a tree in 100 degree temperatures.  I wouldn't want to be working outside in either location.

2 minutes ago, PhiEaglesfan712 said:

How is this even possible?

I think it's from the buildup of a static charge in storm clouds?

33 minutes ago, Sundog said:

How far SW can it go. Just an epic bust on the models 

The models yes, but some sniffed it out.  Unfortunately, most did not have it in their official forecasts.  The NWS did highly consider it as a possibility in their discussion.  For most of us, it's just a "busted" forecast, but for those who ventured out into local waterways, it was another story.