Dark Star

36 minutes ago, Jersey_Snowhole said:

Eric Webb says winter is ovvvvvaaaa rover! 

Is this the earliest we cancelled winter?

6 minutes ago, guinness77 said:

That line they’re talking about must be the one from Long Branch to Toms River. It doesn’t look as bad as what’s passed but that has to be it. 

The line fell apart and was nothing more than a drizzle here in Central Union county, NJ.  Winds are relatively light, though were stronger around 6:45 AM.  

22 minutes ago, ForestHillWx said:

Creeks are rising quickly due to the ground being frozen solid. My snow pack is now a few shoveled piles….

Farewell my friend, we hardly knew thee.

And, now off to chaperone a kindergarten Holiday party as my wife, who volunteered, is down with illness. 

The town of Cranford NJ still had huge leaf piles plowed into the snow.  Hopefully this doesn't cause more flooding than usual...

So, snow squall warnings have been in effect since 2023.  I don't recall any issued for 20 miles around NYC.  I would hate to see any issued for this particular area.  While we have seen squalls laying a quick coating, I would be bold enough to say it would be nothing like what the warning was intended for, for severe squalls coming off the lakes.  However, it seems these things are relative.  To me, an actual snow squall creates true whiteout conditions, where you can't see 10 car lengths ahead of you, and/or snows a few inches in a matter of minutes.  NYC immediate metro will probably never see one of these.  The ferocity almost always wanes as it passes the Appalachians and then the Watchungs.  Areas like White Plains or NW Jersey may have seen something like that.  Peopel will rationalize, "well if it warns people of an impending light squall, people will be better prepared and perhaps avoid traveling at that time", then it is okay to issue the warning, no matter how minimal it is.  I just don't want to see it issued here.  Most of us have never experienced TRUE whiteout conditions.  I couldn't imagine not being able to see my hand outstretched in front of me because of snow.   -  Crochety Old Fart -

1 hour ago, Dark Star said:

Cloudy here, but looks like they dry up as it moves east?

Looks like it's making its way here anyway, just saw some flurries...

2 hours ago, SACRUS said:

 

Snow shower/flurries quickly pushing into PA

 

Cloudy here, but looks like they dry up as it moves east?

Models picked up on this storm many days out.  I wonder which was the first and/or most accurate model to sniff this out?

Looks like 5.5" is the final tally for Garwood NJ.

37 minutes ago, BxEngine said:

You mean nothing stuck on treated asphalt and concrete traversed by thousands of people, with hot steam, hot water, and subways flowing underneath that? Color me shocked. Good thing they dont measure there. Lol

It didn't stick to the streets here in suburban Union county NJ, either, right away.  It was too warm out at the beginning...

4.5" here in Garwood (central Union County NJ), so far.  Very delighted.

44 minutes ago, sussexcountyobs said:

5" of solid clear ice on the lake under a little snow. A couple guys ice fishing today out there. Currently: light snow. 28.2

Great to hear.  I have no idea what effect next week's' warming trend will have on that thickness?

16 minutes ago, weatherpruf said:

hmmm...sky looks like its clearing here....guess the flurries were just a sideshow. 

Actually there was a break in the radar with main batch about 40 miles still to the west?

15 minutes ago, North and West said:

I think it’s less on people and more on the cement/UHI. UHI is getting really noticeable; I’m often 15° or more difference versus the city on cold nights.


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While I am witnessing the urbanization of suburbia (central Union County, NJ) I am still under the impression that the temperature increases are more due to the effects from the GulfStream/Labrador current.  It has been discussed here in the past.

3 hours ago, North and West said:

Thank you. Seems logical.


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Eventually, it becomes too warm to sustain the "normal" snowfall for the NYC metro area.  While the global temperature has increased around 1.2 degrees over the last 100 years or so, our region has seen higher increases in temperature, presumably because of the slowing down of the Gulf stream/Labrador current, maybe as much as 4 to 5 degrees warmer?  NYC has always threaded the rain snow line.  With warmer temperature, it eventually will not matter what the storm track is...

1 hour ago, MANDA said:

Cold across the Yukon Territory of Canada this morning is extremely impressive.  Temperatures -35 to -40 over a fairly large area with a -52 at Beaver Creek.  Impressive cold pool stretching from interior Siberia over the pole into western Canada.

Sounds like there is one continuos supply of cold air, and not cutoff from any one region?

3 hours ago, sussexcountyobs said:

That is amazing to know that! Thanks. Where can one buy a crystal ball like you have?

Forget the crystal ball.  You can make a hat out of the aluminum foil wrap in your drawer...

1 minute ago, NEG NAO said:

then what explains the salty taste other folks are talking about if its treated ?

The treatment process doesn't remove chlorides, etc.  Your best source of water is from underground aquifers, in which the soils, rocks and minerals work as a natural filtration system.  Unless of course a toxic waste site has leached into it, or somebody's septic system leaked...

1 hour ago, steve392 said:

Most of the places where nyc's reservoirs are don't have storm water drains. It's all culvert on natural ground so it just gets soaked into the dirt. 

Storm drains here in central Union County leads to streams, which lead to the Rahway River, where United Water Rahway treats the water for potable H2O...

33 minutes ago, SACRUS said:

 

31 / 27 clear.  Today , Wed/Thu the warmest (still near normal) of the next 10 days.  Coldest days Mon/Tue and the stretch between the 12th and 17th.  Still need to watch the period between 12-15 for any snow / mix.  Beyond there moderation towards the 17th and into the week of Christmas.

Dec 7 - Dec 17th :   Below to much below normal coldest Dec 8/9, 13-15
Dec 18th - Dec 24 :  Moderating / warmer near normal.

That white protruding from PA in western Jersey isn't snow cover, is it?

23 minutes ago, SACRUS said:

 

Daylight: 9H21M:10S.  We'll lose another 6 minutes but way of later sunrise.  We are in the earliest sunsets and will gain 10 mins back on sunsets by Dec 31st but continue to lose time at the sunrise netting a 3m increase in daylight post solstice by 31st.

 

 

Thanks, I think...

1 hour ago, North and West said:

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To reiterate, there was zero snow on any paved surfaces Saturday morning.  They were wet from the MELTED snow.  Temps were above freezing when they salted, and would have naturally dried with sun all day and temps over 40 degrees.  The only thing the salt did was get in dog's paws, go down the storm drains to give a shock load to the aquatic flora and fauna, increase salt content in drinking water sources, and get underneath your vehichle to initiate corrosion.

3 hours ago, MANDA said:

Totally agree with you.  It all started with every event after November 2018.  I never remember it before that and vividly remember it after that!

100%

Some say it's liability.  Bulldinkies.  it's all about looking like you are doing something.  Somehow, I don't think road salt and chemicals have gotten any cheaper.  I remember some winters when they would run out...

As I live and breathe, I did not buy into this post.  Woke up to about 0.1" of the white stuff.  

48 minutes ago, cleetussnow said:

Just back in time for the 60 degree cutter!

So many late 70's cutters.  Even in Coal Country in NE Pennsylvania, saw many a New Year's Eve storm start out as snow, but eventually change over to a plain rain...

40 minutes ago, psv88 said:

So far it has snowed 3 times this winter and we’ve had no accumulation to show for it. Maybe we had some slush on the grass earlier but I was asleep. So three trace days. Pretty bad 

Actually, I'll take the sugar coating from early this morning.  No snow on the streets, but that didnt stop the Garwood DPW from salting.  While the Garwood DPW always does a great job plowing, they HAVE to stop salting, unless absolutely necessary...