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Here's a webcam from near forest park in St. Louis for those interested: https://fox2now.com/webcams/chess-club-hall-of-fame-in-the-central-west-end/

Wow, I looked outside and it's currently sleet/snow with trace accumulation on grass. Temp is 31.

30 with snow/rain mix in STL

Don't take my word for it but I think it'll be in the next 2-3 hours max. Current wetbulb temps; check the time trend on spc:

Maples' rough estimate of changeover- Jefferson, MO and metro. 1-4am sounds right and earlier than Canadian guidance by 10-12 critical hours. I don't think I'll be able to sleep monitoring this haha: .AVIATION... (For the 06z TAFs through 06z Wednesday Night) Issued at 1040 PM CST Tue Feb 1 2022 A high impact winter storm is imminent with a broad area of precipitation stretching from central Illinois southwestward through a large portion Missouri. Rain transitioned to all snow at KUIN around 02z this evening with the transition affecting KCOU between 03z and 04z. Following shortly behind will be KJEF around the release of this update. Metro terminals will likely follow between 07z and 10z.

For those in LSX: 000 FXUS63 KLSX 020254 AFDLSX Area Forecast Discussion...Updated National Weather Service Saint Louis MO 854 PM CST Tue Feb 1 2022 .UPDATE... Issued at 830 PM CST Tue Feb 1 2022 A broad area of precipitation stretches from interior sections of central Illinois to southwest Missouri this evening. Coverage and arrival time of the precipitation is in good agreement with expectations so far. Automated surface observations show sub-freezing air making progress into portions of northeast Missouri and west-central Illinois. Rain transitioned to a brief period of freezing rain/sleet around Quincy before changing to all snow around the 02z hour. Reports of all snow in Hannibal also provide ground truth to the advancing cold air. What has been evident over the last 3-4 hours is that the cold air has run about 20-25 miles further southeast than hourly forecast trends previously depicted. Updates have been made to reflect this trend with the potential that FZRA/PL could be 1-2 hours ahead of schedule, should this trend win out. The only question remains the warm nose aloft and how long it holds/erodes tonight into the morning period. This trend will need to be monitored through the night, as any deviation will have the greatest impact on accumulations near the transition zone (southeast MO/southwest IL). Maples && Current rain snow line:

16'' downtown STL lol, crazy.

It seems MBY continues to be at a real battleground with respect to warm layer. 18z RGEM and 12z GGEM maintain warm layer aloft well into Thursday which keeps us mixed for most of the event; NAM, EURO, GFS have trended toward warm layer cooling by late Wednesday night/00z Thursday which keeps us snow for precip thrust from the main low which is resulting in these boosted forecast totals. I'm liking my chances especially given the new 00z guidance, we'll see how RGEM and GGEM trend tonight. EDIT: RGEM came in slightly cooler, with changeover around 6z Thursday.

ILX is going to get shellacked. It seems like track is relatively consistent, I'm just hoping the warm nose erodes fast enough for us in St. Louis.

This includes sleet correct? Going by sim radar St. Louis doesn't changeover to snow until ~hr 87. QPF after is ~.4. 9.7'' seems high.

<6'' STL for both events. I'm hoping GHDIII puts an end to the northern monopoly. STL-DTW axis lets go #1982

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3'' of largely sleet on that run for St. Louis, reminds me of V. day 2007 when I was back in the DC burbs.

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100% correct. Bring on the southern track baby.

Fantastic written guide by the NWS https://www.weather.gov/jetstream/matrix

Ending with a very slushy 1.5-2'' imby, eyeballed. Totals from the forecasting area through 7am: MISSOURI 4 Springfield WFO/ASOS / 0. Kirksville 7.0 Princeton 6.5 Spickard 6.0 Trenton 4.2 Steffenville 4.1 Shelbina 4.1 Mexico 4.0 Hannibal 4.0 Green City 4.0 Chillicothe 4.0 Waverly 3.5 Saverton LD 22 TW 3.0 Salisbury 3.0 Marshall 3.0 Canton LD 20 TW 3.0 U of M Columbia 2.5 Lockwood 2.0 Freedom 2.0 Carrollton 2.0 Rosebud 1.7 St Peters 1.6 St Louis ASOS 1.5 Ash Grove 1.5 Richmond 1.2 Morrisville 1.0 Jefferson City 1.0 Harvester I 1.0 De Soto 1.0 Concordia 1.0 Clarksville 24 TW 1.0 Bowling Green 1E 1.0 St Charles 7SSW 0.7 Columbia ASOS 0.7 Chesterfield 0.7 Sweet Springs 0.6 NWS WFO 0.6 Cap Au Gris LD 25 0.2 West Plains 0.0 Iberia 0.0 CENTRAL AND SOUTHERN ILLINOIS Gladstone 5.0 Canton 4.0 Prairie City 3.5 Jerseyville 2SW 3.5 Galesburg 3.5 White Hall 1E 3.2 Avon 3.0 Jacksonville 1.7 Quincy L & D 21 1.5 Morton 1.5 Normal 1.0 Ramsey 0.7 Taylorville 0.6 Tuscola 0.5 Roanoke 0.5 Pana 0.5 Ogden 0.4 Buffalo 0.4 Windsor 0.3 Casey 0.3 Urbana 0.2 Steelville 0.0 Olney 0.0 Alton LD 26 TW 0.0

Transitioned over to snow maybe 30 minutes ago, temp 33.

I think we may be in for a surprise. Mid 30s on ground in St. Louis and current sounding is suggestive of snow, which would imply the entire event is snow, a much colder scenario than modeled. QPF for short range guidance HRRR and RAP is around 0.5. Assuming sub 10:1 rates, the 3-5'' call seems like it would be accurate with amounts on the higher end of the range. I hope I'm interpreting this right.

LSX AFD mentioned they expect a changeover around 02-04z [8-10pm] in St. Louis, which seems a few hours earlier than most guidance. They're basing it on some AMDAR soundings out of lambert that showed a weak warm layer extending to 850mb [<1C], which they feel will be rapidly washed away as heavy precip pulls cold air down. They're sticking with 3-5'' call, which is very bullish to me. I'm hoping they're right, we'll see how it plays out

...While there could be some brief rain at the onset of snow for areas from central MO into southwest IL and points south, I still think that this should be brief with low levels cooling rather quickly... 0z Nam and other short term guidance has been keeping surface and lower levels warmer in St. Louis area compared to previous runs. I'd like to see what other runs show but I'm worried about the assumption of quick cooling in this area.

Here's the LSX AFD for those in eastern MO and west central iL. FXUS63 KLSX 132351 AFDLSX Area Forecast Discussion...Updated Aviation National Weather Service Saint Louis MO 551 PM CST Thu Jan 13 2022 .SHORT TERM... (Through Saturday Night) Issued at 259 PM CST Thu Jan 13 2022 ...Winter Storm on track for Friday Afternoon-Saturday... It`s currently the calm before the storm across the CWA with lots of sun and above normal temps. The pockets of light rain across parts of eastern MO and western IL exited by early afternoon with clouds clearing quickly. This evening looks pretty tranquil with colder air filtering into the region as high pressure settles southeastward. Much of the latest guidance is showing a fairly strong signal for low stratus and fog developing overnight from central IL west-southwestward into western IL and parts of eastern MO. In fact some of the guidance suggests that the fog could be dense in the 10-15z time frame. I am not that confident in the dense fog aspect but it is something we will have to watch. The remainder of Friday morning should be rather tranquil with clouds thickening ahead of the winter storm. All systems still appear go for a winter storm impacting the area starting Friday afternoon and lasting possibly into early Saturday evening. This will be the first real widespread snowfall impacting the entire CWA. There are still some questions on amounts and onset times but the majority of the guidance suggest that snow will develop sometime in the afternoon across Northwest Missouri and west central IL in response to isentropic lift, weak large scale forcing, and impressive mid level frontogenetic forcing. This should lead to a rather robust and wide band of snow driven strongly by frontogenesis. The band should then widen and translate slowly south-southeastward on Friday Night and into Saturday morning as both the frontogenesis and large scale forcing attendant with the upper trof/low centered in the Plains digs southeastward. The mid level lapse rates are 6+ DegC/km suggesting a good response to the frontogenetic forcing and supporting snowfall rates in excess of a half inch per hour at times. While there could be some brief rain at the onset of snow for areas from central MO into southwest IL and points south, I still think that this should be brief with low levels cooling rather quickly. This will be a fairly wet snow with lower than normal SLRs. The longevity of the snow in the north and intensity of the forcing still highlights this region for the highest amounts. The WPC forecasts, HREF, and probabilistic guidance all support this area having potential for 6+ inches. We have decided to issue a winter storm watch for this area starting on Friday afternoon. For the remainder of the area this looks like a pretty solid 2-5 inch snowfall and will eventually lead to an advisory within the next 12-18 hours. There has been some concern about a period of heavy snowfall late Saturday afternoon/night into early Sunday morning across southeast MO/southern IL associated with the upper low and deepening cyclone as it tracks to our south. The trend in the latest ensemble and deterministic models now has the upper low digging longer and to the east of the track yesterday, and not bottoming out until Saturday night well south across the lower MS Valley and then shifting east across the deep south. This track would suggest this snow threat then will be well south of the CWA. Glass

A really satisfying trace fell, that's all I needed to enjoy my late spring walk haha. Looks great on the flowers and trees. Temp is 34.

All snow in STL, 4 hours ahead of schedule with the changeover lol. Temp is 35.

Or fill in around south central illinois. Reminds me of the classic DC snow hole