Stevo6899

2 hours ago, Stebo said:

And that one folk is right, no matter how sour you are. Going into March last year, no one expected the amount of snow most of us got, if you did you are lying. Not saying its likely but it is far from impossible.

Sour? What do I have to be sour about other than our lack of big dogs, which nothing you or Josh have stated proves me wrong. We do get some of our biggest snows in march but I'm ready for warmth once march rolls in. 

1 hour ago, Powerball said:

 

Some folks may come along and talk about how there's still March to go through which averages a fair bit of snow or how we always see a cold snap in March/April, but you can't fight the overall trends/signals. The odds of locking in another sustained/long-lasting winter pattern for the remainder of this season are progressively diminishing by the day.

Hmm I wonder who that one folk is that's gonna come along....

11 hours ago, Stebo said:

Right, because an all time historic storm is the weight measure. When you say something this ignorant it just proves you are being disingenuous to the discussion. Oh and this entire state has seen bigger storms too if you are going to go with top end values.

All smartassness aside, the point is the lakes overall werent the reason for the big dog totals for that event, even into most of illinois. I don't know why you and Josh keep pushing back on this topic. For reasons already stated, this area outside of the snow belts is missing that big dog, end of discussion. It didn't bother me as much in recent years because ive been a snowbird and havent been around much. I happen to be here this winter, since November to take care of my dad who passed last month. I've whined about big dogs enough and that will be all on that topic from me. 

On 2/15/2024 at 2:30 PM, Stebo said:

Yes it did, they got enhancement off of Lake Michigan throughout the storm. It absolutely contributed to their totals.

Did Missouri get their two feet from lake Michigan too?

On 2/15/2024 at 2:12 PM, Powerball said:

While Lake Michigan is certainly part of it, to get a GHD 1-type storm to take a favorable track for Detroit to get dumped on, it would also require a deepening low pressure center to move up the spine of the Appalachian Mountains *AND* with an intense TROWAL, which is much more difficult to accomplish thanks to the complications with topography / downsloping.

Exactly, along with transferring energy. That's been my point all along. Our location makes it the harder to get a big dog vs chicago, thus why they own us.

22 minutes ago, michsnowfreak said:

Dont flatter yourself. Beavis obviously misunderstood what I meant. Beavis is like me on steroids when it comes to winter, the polar opposite of ALL things YOU stand for in winter. You ve been called out by multiple other posters over the years for your posting AND your exaggerating. The reason people dont think you enjoy small events (which to you is anything under 12") because youve said as much. See, I dont play that game. I like what I like, and I dont waiver from it. I liked the same type of weather through our record snow stretch of 2007-15 that I like in these last 2 lean winters. If you think its turd polishing by posting about the weather ON A WEATHER board, or correcting your misinformation, fine. Ive hated this winter as a whole, not sure how Ive polished it lol. 

Not quite sure what I'm exaggerating or who's called me out. We suck at big dogs plain and simple. That's all I've been saying. Never have I said I didn't enjoy 6-12 events, they just don't get me all excited anymore. The shit today is what's annoying. Just enough to mess up the roads.

2 hours ago, Stebo said:

The only reason they do is because of Lake Michigan, by the numbers they also get less snow yearly and we get more of the 6-10" snows.

Ghd1 had nothing to do with lake Michigan. I am aware we do better than Chicago avg wise and with the smaller/avg events. I just get tired of the its not our climo b.s. to get a big dog, and its unrealistic to want one. The point is it's possible. Ec, minneapolis, Chicago, they've all had one in the last 20 years. 

5 minutes ago, michsnowfreak said:

It was like a cloudburst of snow. It was wild. I was not expecting anything really, thought we would get rain. Got 2.0" here in basically an hour. DTW had 1.9". Looks like a general 1.5-2" in SE MI and more further north, though rates were probably hardest right in the heart of the metro. Huge flakes too. Its melty now, but was certainly fun while it lasted.

 

Looks like y'all did better than north of the city up in macomb. Can still see the grass here.

1 hour ago, Stebo said:

Boy toward the end of the 12z GFS run would be one for the ages with respect to warmth and potential severe weather. That is also in the period where the GEFS is hinting at a significant trough out west ridge in the east.

Gfs and euro both with nothing of significance snow wise at all. 

53 minutes ago, weatherbo said:

My post wasn't directed at you.  The banter between you and Josh goes way back.  I find it mildly entertaining.  It's the bitching and moaning and having unrealistic expectations for local climo that's annoying, even tho I will admit for parts of the sub, the past few winters have been horrible and I'd likely be the first to complain.

As far as the UP goes, as a kid I dreamed of living here and as soon as I could I did.  It's different and not for everyone, and minus the snow I'd still live here.  I'll probably die here unless at some point I decide to head west or to Alaska.  Mainstream America is NOT for me.

One of these days I'll get Josh to admit chicago owns us in big dogs. He doesn't seem to weakening his turd polishing shield anytime soon but I will keep chipping away. It's all in good fun and glad we could entertain you in the slightest. I'm sure it's annoying to some but there ain't nothing else going on of any weather significance. People think I dont enjoy the smaller events and that's false. Just getting slightly annoyed we can't get over the hump here. I don't think expecting a big dog every 40 years is unrealistic. I don't expect one every winter and totally understand it's not our regular climo. But seeing almost everyone around us get one in my lifetime doesn't help.

Dry east wind making alot of the precip virga here. Guess I'll have to get excited for hopefully atleast an hour of good snow.

7 hours ago, michsnowfreak said:

I'm content with my SE MI climate and take an annual trip up north in late Feb. This is the first time I've ever had a trip planned where I will have little or no snow (Feb 23-26). Bad winters happen. They suck. But they happen. 

That's where our differences are. You're content with mediocrity and that's okay. I get it, it's weather, we can't do anything about it so why complain about it. Some are okay with bud light, some like myself enjoy Sam adams. Some people have dreams and the hope for more. Some aren't content with reaching avg annual snows. I just hope for more and keep getting disappointed. It'll all just be that more satisfying once my big dog dreams come true in 2050.

9 hours ago, weatherbo said:

Spring/Summer severe weather enthusiasts have been suffering for many years too, jus sayin.

90% of winters 45 and north have the winter-time nirvana Beavis describes and is just a state or two away.  If winter means that much to someone, as clearly it does, why not move?  It may mean sacrificing a high paying job, lifestyle, and other things but it sure beats spending life miserable.
I packed up everything I had at 22 and did it.  If you want something bad enough, make it happen.  Stop whining.

 

Yeah I can never live in the u.p. away from my friends and g/f. Also ,the whole point is getting the big dog in your backyard and moving to have to see it ruins most of the satisfaction. Also this whining  and calling out josh is filling in the boring stretch of weather we currently are in.

10 hours ago, beavis1729 said:

Not sure I follow.  Turd polishing and liking winter are not the same.  In fact, they're complete opposites.  I don't get tired of you liking winter, but you're turd polishing because your standards for winter are very low...which causes you to be happy about very basic/minimum things in winter that shouldn't require much effort.  

I agree with just the first paragraph lol. 

15 hours ago, michsnowfreak said:

Nothing wrong with liking a big dog in your own backyard. Just like you get tired of me liking winter (as you call it turd polishing) I get tired or your constant contradictions and changing complaints just to constantly act like detroit is the worst place to be in the winter. In our 2008-15 era of record snowfall we had so many really good storms in the 10-12" range, record snow depths, and you carried on that DTW couldnt eclipse a foot. Then when Detroit got a 17" storm you managed to berate the storm for taking too long, saying you like rates. Since then we have had multiple storms with impressive rates, visibility down to 1/8 mile, TSSN, and you just manage to "not remember" them. Its always something. Detroit has had more 6"+ and 8"+ storms than Chicago, and the exact same amount of 10"+ storms. I know this is a shock, but some people can still enjoy a good storm under a foot. And speaking of a foot, Chicago had 4 storms to Detroits 2 of foot+, not 10-4 as you interpreted. lol 10 storms of a foot+ in 20 years, I guess the midwest is Nova Scotia now.

I didn't remember one storm lol, and I have been a snowbird a lot in past winters so I probably wasn't home for it, and didn't come home for it since 36 hours to get 16 inches doesn't excite me. I never said Detroit sucks or that I don't enjoy snow when we get it. It just sucks to miss out on several big dogs the past 20 years. We go through this every winter. We both like different things but I guess you'll never understand where I'm coming from. You keep repeating the same stats like I don't comprehend that we do better than ChIcago in the smaller events. I guess you can't read your own stats. Just keep wearing those rose colored glasses.

12”+ -- 2 ----- 4

14”+ -- 1 ----- 2

16”+ -- 1 ----- 2

18”+ -- 0 ----- 2

24”+ -- 0 ----- 0

22 hours ago, Lightning said:

This is like the Harry and my debate of old!!  Harry was right as the end result is simple if you want truly big dogs => Lake Effect, Mountains or EC.  Detroit and Chicago are not epic snowstorm destinations!!

 

The Chicago / Detroit debate for me is easy:   April => June I would choose Chicago weather.  July => March I would choose Detroit weather.  March is debatable.   While this is not for everyone would be my preference.

 

It's just something about getting that big dog in your own backyard. I just get tired of josh turd polishing everything, like Detroit is the best place to be in the winter. Chicago is 10:4 over us in storms 12+ in recent years which backs up my original point. He doesn't get tired of all the mediocre events which is fine. I get it, its not in our climo to get big storms, but the point is its possible and we don't. He just can't admit that we suck at big dogs and Chicago is just in a better location. Instead he just focuses on our mediocre 4-10 events and how we own Chicago in that department. That's like the lions beating the bears in the regular season, then losing to them in the playoffs. 

3 hours ago, Chambana said:

First tray of bacon wrapped brats for the smoker are done for the SB, with my homemade rub. Onto the smoker slow and  low at 225 and then brushed in my homemade bbq sauce, back on the smoker for 30 minutes, and the sauce creates a glaze/crust. Next up, wings and poppers!

It's a weird feeling today, with disappointment still mixed in. Usually its just a social event day for us in detroit and watch some of the game, but with the lions choking it away, I don't think I can watch today. Still bummed out. It just bugs me to see the 49ers players walking around like they are the shit, when they should've lost to the packers and the lions. I hope the chiefs destroy them today.

On 2/9/2024 at 1:04 PM, michsnowfreak said:

Many storms take that path and strengthen without producing 18-24"+ totals. You need a supercharged storm to get that, and those in this region of the country are EXTREMELY rare. Chicago has gotten lucky a few times, but if its a "west" thing, than why do areas of eastern Iowa have worse big storm climo than us? Yes different strokes indeed, fortunately for me, Ill be able to have our climo cooperate more than you will, wanting no cold, snowcover, or overcast skies in winter, just 2'+ storms 

Storms the last 20 years:

In the last 20 years (2004-2023):

………..DTW….ORD

6”+ --- 37 ---- 27

8”+ --- 18 ---- 12

10”+ -- 9 ----- 9

12”+ -- 2 ----- 4

14”+ -- 1 ----- 2

16”+ -- 1 ----- 2

18”+ -- 0 ----- 2

24”+ -- 0 ----- 0

Lol once again you're missing the point. Many storms take that path and yes not all are big dogs. The ones that need to track favorable for us, lose energy to coastals, limiting our big dog potential. 4-1 in favor of chicago 16+, and 10-4 > foot. All that needs to be said.

13 hours ago, michsnowfreak said:

This system is not a 2 foot snowstorm. We have seen multiple systems that start out just like this and take a favorable track and dump snow on us the last several years. A 2 foot storm is extremely rare. And the east coast is in a record snow drought btw. To say they are overdue for a coastal storm that actually drops snow is an understatement.

You're missing the point. I stated this isn't a 2 foot snowstorm. But had this storm been more west, it wouldn't transfer and the possibility is there to strenghten and maybe be a big dog. Being in our location, susceptible to transfers, theres no chance unless there's phasing. We've seen many storms take this next storms track and transfer, limiting our snow. The only way is to have phasing and we all know how hard to get a perfect timing full phase it. Areas to our west like Chicago don't have to worry about losing energy to a transfer when they get the big dog potential. We need so much more to align and go right to see that big storm.  Also like many have stated, myself included, I would be okay with going 3-5 years with no snow knowing a big dog is gonna happen. It's cool that you'd rather have 5 inches on the ground for a month straight vs getting a potential big dog. Different strokes.

Hour 102 on todays 12z euro run perfectly illustrates why it's so hard for the detroit, indy corridor to get a big dog.  You got a strengthening low pressure system taking the perfect track, and then the coastal area steals the energy. This isn't the case with every storm and maybe not with this one but often If this low pressure was 200-400 miles west, it most likely wouldn't transfer and the chicago, grr, peoria corridor and points west could have the possibility of a big dog. Detroit is stuck in the middle of big dog territory. The only way detroit could cash in on 24+ is if there's a perfect phase of the N/S streams to our SE and even then still susceptible to a Miller B scenario. Once in a 100 year thing, sort of like major hurricane Ian hitting fort myers. Sure they've had a few over the years, but none like Ian that crawled along the coast giving them 7+ hours of surge/winds over 100.

18 hours ago, rainsucks said:

You should work on keeping your temper under control, as I’ve done nothing to elicit such an emotional/defensive response out of you (my birth year has no relevance either). Anyway, the last few springs have finished on the warm side of average, featuring plenty of mild/warm days, so I’m not sure what the problem is.

Just joking all around. Im sorry my elicit, explicit response was too much for you. Springs lately have been crummy, cloudy, chilly and missing long warmth spells. All I said was I hope this spring is nicer and warmer. 

On 2/6/2024 at 2:03 PM, Powerball said:

I think everyone can agree GHD 1 was still a nice storm, just as GHD 2 was a nice storm, their objective flaws aside.

Again, just offering a balanced perspective about GHD 2 in particular instead of dogpiling on Stevo.

Yup not saying ghd2 sucked or anything. I just didn't recall it as per the reasons I explained. They can dog pile, it's all good. Everyone has different criteria for big dogs and what gets them excited. Long duration events dont do it for me anymore. Also I am not expecting a noreaster 3 foot storm. Just a 2 footer not taking 36 hours. One day maybe...

The only way this winter could be worse is if the i95 cities see a big dog. Miller b looks likely. Not too late to get a more dominant nw trend.

2 minutes ago, Lightning said:

Of course there is Powerball that moves to TX but yet come here to troll the SE MI posters.  

Yea he's not trolling. He's just on the same page as me. Still waiting for the detroit big dog everyone will remember.

18 hours ago, Powerball said:

As nice as GHD 2 was from a total amount and spread-the-wealth standpoint, for this subforum it wasn't really an impressive wind producer nor a storm with particularly heavy rates (compared to its predecessor in 2011).

It was mostly a long duration light/moderate event, lasting over 24 hours (at the peak, rates were maybe 1/2 inch per hour). There was some blowing/drifting towards the end, but again, nothing out of the ordinary for that area.

That could be why it's sort of hard to remember this event, lol.

Yea that could be why I don't recall this storm. I didnt know not remembering something comes off as complaining. Maybe because it didn't include crazy rates. I will always remember that nye storm in 08 with the 4 inches per hour rates. I will always remember chicago getting more snow than us ghd1/2. Our standards in detroit are so low that I guess we should remember every event over a foot, even if it takes 24 hours to accumulate.