Cary67

Just enjoy your 1 to 3" of wraparound.

May have been one of my favorite winters here

Not denying that. Just speculating that gradual warming could be responsible for both the recent above average snow totals and also the decline of snow averages over time as you reach a point where it gets just a bit warm on average to snow in our area. I just think that influence may come a bit quicker than some would like on this forum. At some point when you keep looking at global temp map averages that are almost completely red and yellow with just a couple blue patches it will catch up with you. But this is for another topic.

But not your kids. Anyways we shall see.

Thats just because more moisture is becoming available further north for areas like Marquette and International Falls. Chicago and MSP have benefitted in the last decade but continued warming will inevitably lead to lower snow totals over time. Beginning with southern areas first then working their way north. Chicago becomes St. Louis. MSP becomes Chicago. St. Louis becomes Little Rock. The areas that will benefit the most and the longest will be up along the Canadian border and the provinces of Canada

Most likely we will still receive that 2-3 weeks of winter sometime between now and late April. The question is when and none of the gurus know nor does anyone looking at models past 2 weeks. One of these times the EPS and the more clueless GEFS will show cold and it will verify but only after all kinds of false positives.

December snowfall prediction of not reaching double digits as a seasonal total looking good. Over/under on January finishing with 15" or less total is now on the table.

The futility comment was more in reference to posters stating that winter is done more than actually breaking record minimal snowfall records.

Unleash the futility posts. Predicted snowfall? 0eb24b53-f36d-4eef-974e-51492da583ed.mp4

Soon the delayed but not denied movie will come to a theater near you

Im losing my buzz lets keep the good vibes going. Top one is an all time favorite.

Or it could be the models provide false cold till the end of January or early February. A question: At what point does delayed but not denied become too late. As in at some point nah just keep your 3 weeks of winter. What if it doesn't really come till late February or early March. For me if this winter is still worthless by Jan.20th forget it. Laughable for how wet its been all year long for us to dry out as you head into winter. ie Nov. Dec. well below normal precip. wise

I look forward to these types of posts. Its like holiday tradition watching Lampoons Christmas Vacation or a Christmas Story. The lamenting of disappointing climate is part of weather ritual just as putting up the tree,hanging lights, or caroling.

I would agree long range op runs are worthless. I think theres equal chances of something popping up long range for systems but for that also verifying is another matter. In other words if a long range forecast says nothing is going on chances of it verifying are greater than it showing a particular system that verifies. More combinations on the dice so to speak favoring nada in terms of producing snow than those that do favor system snow. Thats why LES is so great..less variables need to fall in line.

Not written anywhere that if December is snowless and mild that January cant follow the same path.Although Skilling mentioned arctic air could return at very end of month or early January. But for what duration?And where's the trough position? If the cold air does return but not further west in the central plains it could just result in New England benefiting.

Give us a storm total when its done

Real treat will be when it continues into January. You will pay dearly for that October white stuff.lol

Make that mid May. Aprils still suck especially last year

Getting ready to collect money from Hoosier. JK

Heading towards Ukie and Chistorm December and punts away.

Still think if Euro shows nada the GFS will eventually cave to the weaker solution

12Z Euro and the GFS ensembles still south.

Euro and GFS show system for OV and the EC