mattb65

Why is hawaii real estate exploding, how about new jersey, new York, I could go on. Your nonsense post deserved a nonsense response. It's a blatant strawman exaggeration. It's the second day in a row you've made ridiculous posts. You present a hyperpartisan perspective, try better.

No, we just need to create giant colonies like leper colonies for the people that subscribe to anti vaccine fauci bill gates 5g nanochip conspiracy theories. Even better we can send them all to Florida and put them on giant carnival cruise ships. That way Gov DeSantis will be happy. What do you think? The rest of us will all get our vaccines and get on with life.

This is a great story about oneof the scientists that was instrumental in the development of the Pfizer BioNTech vaccine. https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/08/health/coronavirus-mrna-kariko.html#click=https://t.co/N6BYZGqyD0 For all the kids cheating their way through school, hopefully there are a handful like Dr. Kariko that fall in love with learning and discovery.

I don't know about anyone else but my social media has had a noticeable increase in people getting their vaccines over the past week. The vaccination trends for the next few weeks will be pretty telling in terms of how much vaccine hesitancy is going to be an issue. If we continue to see 7 day averages pushing over 3 million shots a day or higher then we're going to have no problems with having enough people vaccinated or immune from infection to reach herd immunity levels. If it levels off or starts going down I'll be concerned. In addition, I am feeling confident that nationwide we are probably approaching a peak in the current plateau in cases and that the rate of rise in Michigan is slowing down and will hopefully start to turn in the other direction in the next week or two. I attribute these changes to the states reachng a critical mass of 30-40% immunized which is enough to cause cases to decline given the current precautions people are still doing. Just my view after looking at the data and trends, I could definitely be wrong.

It's not a question of whether I agree or disagree, if he wants to do these activities, those are the current requirements. My observation had been that even though I'm in hawaii where it is always humid and rarely gets below 70, the mask does not get significantly affected by sweat or ruined by use in those activities. The WHO is probably overstating the risk of masks during normal levels of physical exertion. The only masks that have had a noticeable affect on my breathing are when I've had to wear a medical grade n95 to see patients with covid.

My 1st grade aged son has been going to in person school all year and wears a mask the whole day except for lunch including during PE. I wouldn't have a problem with him doing sports even if they required masks. He has adapted to wearing it no problem and the school as a whole has successfully navigated >3/4th of the school year without any infections. He's done cub scouts and has needed to wear masks on a hike and during recreational activity like biking during scouts. We've had him doing swim lessons without any masks for obvious reasons. Staying physically and socially active even with the potential covid risks and even with having to wear masks when doing those activities provides way more benefits to his well being than not doing them in my opinion. Generally speaking, hawaii has had a much lower level of covid than almost anywhere in the US, if it was more widespread I might have needed to adjust the activities somewhat.

At least in the last few pages you only wrote about contaminated masks so I'll give you that, obviously anyone wearing a contaminated or visibly dirty mask probably has more things than covid to worry about. Most of the anti mask crazies (not you) wildly exaggerate the risk of causing bacterial pneumonia or other infections or blocking air flow or other similar misinformation. The gist of the conversation seemed to be drifting towards that anti mask nonsense but I want to be fair that you aren't making those claims.

The article you posted did not say that wearing a mask increases the risk of infection, it claimed. 1. Masks can cause acne "mascne" especially if you use fabric softener. 2. Mask wearing may promote mouth breathing which may lead to dry mouth, bad breath and tooth decay (this all seems like a stretch to me) 3. If people fail to wash their hands after frequently adjusting their masks, maybe they could increase their infection risk. So the article recommends using the elastics to remove the mask. So no, the article you posted did not provide evidence to support your position.

You are claiming that there is a well documented link between masks and causing/increasing infections as if it is common sense then refusing to provide evidence of the claim is pretty telling. It's just like yesterday when the claim was made that Florida fudged their covid data while simultaneously refusing to put forward any evidence to support the position. You have frequently called people out for using this sort of tactic. I think it's pretty obvious that any "evidence " you could come up with to suggest that masks cause infections would either be extremely low quality evidence e.g. anecdotes or some forum of anti mask conspiracy nonsense.

It's remarkable how predictable the top 3 or 4 culture war or other related crisis du jour people bring up when they are expressing their outrages at their fellow Americans these days. Often based on the chryron from where one consumes their news. (This is a criticism of anyone hyperpartisan spare me the victimhood/persecution narrative) Please keep those things out of this thread unless there is a clear and compelling link to coronavirus. All those things do is inflame, divide and put people further into their tribes.

I appreciate the diversity of opinion and background in the vaccine discussion and my opinion is that no one is expressing their views entirely in bad faith as a full blown troll trying to get a rise out of someone. There are some that most certainly do this sometimes. I wanted to share a really thorough Twitter thread from a reputable source that discusses a lot of what is at stake for people choosing to get vaccinated or not vaccinated. Some of it is a review on herd immunity thresholds. In particular, I think this part of the thread is applicable to assume if the discussion about whether a low risk individual choosing not to get vaccinated will have a larger impact.

Well I said when everyone had a chance to get it. If people choose not to get it, they get to live with the consequences. At that point it becomes nanny state to impose unreasonable restrictions assuming the activity in question is reasonably safe. I think certain activities like going on a cruise could reasonably require anyone boarding to be vaccinated or have a negative test. Those things were like petri dishes for the virus when this thing started.

In about 8 weeks once everyone has a chance to get their vaccines.

I don't think it's fair to call it an anti vaccine site, it's just information reported by people and seems to be pulled straight from the cdc. I agree that the way it is set up without context could easily be used by people to justify an anti vaccine position and to emphasize the adverse reactions. I read some of the detailed reports on the bottom and most of the deaths seem to be people at end of lifewho got the vaccine. There was and clear panic attacks/psychogenic seizures too.

CDC is the agency of record for vaccine safety in the US, here's what they have posted regarding deaths that have occurred in close time frame after vaccination. "Over 145 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines were administered in the United States from December 14, 2020, through March 29, 2021. During this time, VAERS received 2,509 reports of death (0.0017%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine. CDC and FDA physicians review each case report of death as soon as notified and CDC requests medical records to further assess reports. A review of available clinical information including death certificates, autopsy, and medical records revealed no evidence that vaccination contributed to patient deaths." https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.html

The clinical trials were scientifically as rigorous and well done as any. There were no shortcuts in any of the phase 3 trials from the three EUA vaccines in use here. Astra Zeneca pulled some shenanigans with their trial data that they'll have to answer for when they go before the vaccine review board. In terms of whether they've gone through the normal full approval phase - as you know not yet but hopefully soon. EUA was the right choice given the circumstances and will likely end up being a decision that saved many thousands of lives. At the same time if a low risk person wants to wait for full FDA approval, that is a reasonable personal choice. My view is that the data is compelling and benefits of vaccine >>> risk of vaccine. Allowing people to have the vaccine for >6 months without major problems will hopefully ease any further worries about their safety.

I can understand and respect the first point of waiting to let others get it first. I encourage you to try to find unbiased reports on the real world efficacy. The data coming out of Isreal and in the early groups immunized in the USA - nursing home and Healthcare workers is very strong and has shown a really good translation of clinical trial efficacy to real world efficacy without any large safety signals popping up aside from the well covered allergic reactions that some have had.

I agree but also think that personal choices can have reasonable benefits and consequences. People that choose to get vaccination shouldn't have to spend a bunch of money to get a pre travel covid test to avoid quarantine in hawaii for example. But an unvaccinated person should still need to get their test to prove that they aren't carrying the virus. Many colleges require a whole host of immunizations to attend same with elementary school, same with the military. This isn't a new concept.

You may have already posted this but why specifically are you against the covid vaccine? Would your opinion change once it's fully FDA approved or change under any circumstances?

Probably by that time it won't be necessary assuming no unexpected changes in the virus and vaccine effectiveness. I understand that this is a complex issue logistically and when you throw in how vaccine hesitancy has taken one political bent. I put in under current circumstances because by June/July vaccine supply should be more than enough to meet demand and I completely understand the argument to let people make their own choices and live with the consequences. I'm not hard-core must show vaccination to do everything.

Going to concerts and sporting events are a privilege and under the current circumstances, showing proof of vaccination is a reasonable requirement from event organizers. States require seatbelts for the same reason. People flying to Hawaii need to provide proof of a negative test to bypass quarantine, usually paid for out of pocket and usually >$100 - not sure having to show a negative covid test to go to a concert is really what you want. Worse than showing that you're vaccinated.

We pray that it doesn't happen, there will be intense evolutionary pressure on the virus to circumvent vaccine immunity in the next couple months which is exactly why the health officials have been emphasizing how this is the critical time to avoid increases in viral replication. We are really vaccinating fast so I think we'll be able to suppress it to low levels here. Hard to be confident that places like most of the EU countries, Brazil and developing countries will be able to keep it contained enough. Might be a bit of whack a mole for a while. Hopefully we can get the virus suppressed enough that we can get ahead of things with better surveillance to contain things this time.

Like you said, no clear answer on whether vaccines prevent long covid but quite a few anecdotes of the vaccines essentially treating and resolving long covid symptoms in many individuals. This recently published article is an apropos look at this exact question. https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2021/03/vaccines-long-covid/618406/

Many have been speculating that the Michigan surge may skew hospitalizations towards a younger cohort due to vaccinations and also likely lead to less mortality from this wave of infections. This far it looks like the first point is bearing out and probably the cfr will be lower this round due to vaccinations. Really interesting article discussing this https://www.mlive.com/public-interest/2021/03/michigan-sees-alarming-increase-in-covid-19-hospitalizations-among-unvaccinated-adults.html As more and more great data continues to confirm the vaccine trial data in real world scenarios, the hesitancy will hopefully continue to decline. There is almost no rational reason to avoid getting the vaccine.

I think we all try to build a narrative that explains the various waves of the virus and assign causation to policies or lack of policies. Inevitably there are too many variables involved to actually determine which specific ones that stand out do so due to correlation or causation. Most will just fall back to their preconceived biases to explain things. Above is a perfect example - mask mandates were in place but the cases still spiked - aka masks do nothing. But there's no good control case and how do we know whether mask mandates actually increase our decrease mask use? It's very hard to measure especially since much of the spread of covid seems to occur through family and friends behind close doors. There's obviously some additional public mixing that contributes to the spread. There's also clearly a strong seasonality to the virus that leaks in different regions at different times. I don't envy the policy makers at all in all of this because many of the decisions they are making are lose-lose situations. Thankfully I think this current wave will be much smaller than before, much less deadly and that ultimately the vaccines give us the silver bullet we need to come out of this. I'm impressed by the way vaccines got through all the regulatory hurdles under Trump incredibly fast and glad the Biden administration took over when they did to improve the delivery and distribution problems.