Paragon

Wait, where is this? I was reading today about a site in Scotland that predates Stonehenge (it's over 5,000 years old) and it also predicts the Winter Solstice, among other things (eclipses, conjunctions, etc.) Fascinating how much the ancients knew! There's also the Dogon tribe in Africa that had a festival every 60 years when Sirius (Dog Star) appeared in a little notch between two mountains.

Both, right, back to back? I mean PD2 was a coastal too, I think both were part overrunning and part coastal, that's why they lasted for two days lol.

There are some outlier winters like 1993-94

Wasn't Feb 1983 the same thing? Those are our biggest storms!

I think the Xmas 2002 storm also had a neg nao? That was a nice surprise for us.

That's right and we had a pretty significant storm before PD2 but it gets lost because of the historic nature of what came after. The Pre-PD2 storm dumped 9 inches of snow, I think? What did we have for the April 2003 snowstorm? -NAO? That was another big one, I would consider it historic for us in Nassau County considering it was April.

Chris, changing from one phase to the other is probably the most important factor. Didn't PD2 occur during a +NAO? But it had switched just a few days before the storm? 2002-03 wasn't a very NEG NAO winter was it? But we had many switches between phases, which is what made it so stormy.

Shocked how cold it was, especially with the high clouds that gave us a brilliant sunrise. Anyone record below zero?

What was the exact time of it? I didn't feel it here and the 2011 one was easy to feel and also heard sloshing around.

I wonder if this was related to the quake we had in 2011? Same fault line?

I am always shocked when I see the sunset is before 4:30 and it's still November! It happens every year and yet I forget it every year until it actually happens lol. Today's sunset was 4:28 PM here. Late fall/winter sunsets and sunrises seem to be the most colorful too.

I'm not a cold and dry kind of guy- that's a killer on heating bills with no joy. Give me snow and teens/20s, or give me 60-70 degrees with sunshine in the winter! Actually, if it's not snowing, today is perfect!

Also good for tropical threats!

Indeed. We either get 1-3 inches of snow or 10+ it seems. Moderate snowstorms have become extremely rare.

Thanks, I wonder if this will lead to a new index being used to account for this?

Remember when Dallas hit 95 earlier in November and they hadn't had a a temp of 90 or above in the entire month before that (and they had a heat wave, let alone just one 90 degree day in November!) How much was that temp above their normal high? And LA's 92 record on Thanksgiving?

Oh the place with the most weather extremes? You couldn't pay me a billion dollars to live in SD because of the fracking that occurs there. That whole region is an earthquake waiting to happen.

But you don't seem to like hot summers, and I love those, because I'm a big numbers guy and I enjoy watching the temps reach for 100, the same way I enjoy watching a 20 inch snowstorm lol. I love temperature extremes (both hot and cold) and precipitation extremes (rain, snow and even ice) and wind extremes. I was going to start a topic on this earlier, but I didn't know if anyone had the right answer for this- but where in the country is the best place to be to experience 20 inch snowstorms in the winter and 100 degree heat in the summer?

That doesn't sound right- the period you referenced isn't a quartile because it covers a four not three month period. Going by those climo standards, winter should be from the end of the first week of December to the end of the first week of March.

Interesting that March was the snowiest month in the 50s.

That sounds about normal for us lol. It's a common pattern for us during our non- el nino winters to have extreme cold sometime between Christmas and the first few days of the New Year and then flip to milder weather after the first week of January. What really decides winter is what happens after the thaw- in 95-96 it went back to cold and snowy later in January and after that- which was what made that winter great.

That's awesome, I love it when leaves stay on trees so they don't have to be raked

I saw one a few weeks ago. They're supposed to be very rare. In our area at any rate.

How about snow and lightning together ;-)

Seattle and north Texas have both had snow this year before us.