I won't even venture into that forum as there are close to 30 posts/min, lol, and that's just sick, and I don't care to read such drivel as "deathband" and what not! They have absolutely NO CLUE what a band is nevermind a death band. I've been in one with LEN, and that was a DB, lol, as almost 8' fell in an hr, not 3-4". Sent from my SM-G930V using Tapatalk