TugHillMatt

No. I would rather enjoy the Fall Foliage that I wait 11.5 months to see. We had some good color and then last week's wind event ripped it off....starting to get good again...rinse and repeat. No wind! In my perfect world, we'd have three months of Fall color, 5 months of solid winter snowfall and snowpack, and 4 months of 60 to 75 degree highs with 50 degree lows and no humidity....without black flies, deer flies, and mosquitoes. Not happening...but I can dream.

Hah! True that. Hopefully they're just "blips" but it's hard to go against recent model output given recent winters.

Is this like the new eternal winter pattern?

Good point and thanks for the reminder. Looks like it's been an interesting day for the Buffalo/Western NY folks!

The Syracuse region...the warmest place in Upstate New York (outside of maybe Dansville and Elmira)...somebody could fart on top of one of the hills South of here and our temps would warm up.

This "cold" shot sure fizzled away. One day of 50s for highs and then it's pretty much back to normal temps for early October. Cold fronts bring "normal" temps these days...lol

Great idea. I will have to take my snowshoes with me in the winter. I probably won't get out of work in time to do it in the evenings I love the 10K trail (yellow trail). You get back in those deep woods and there is nobody around!

@wolfie09, the second and third in the first set were from Great Bear between Phoenix and Fulton. I love all the trails there!

I am guessing there will be too much cloud cover and breeziness with this next push of cold air to allow for much frost or freezing.

Wow! Quite early!

The climate is just making sure we have yet another above normal September.

Oh, yay. Cutters even suck in the early fall too. Right when the leaves start changing...knock em down! lol

There's some nice colors really starting to show here this week...especially over the past 2 days.

As much as I love wintry weather, I LOVE fall and the colors and would hate to see the leaves get knocked off early with a cold blast. Plus, I would also hate to see us waste a great pattern in early fall when it would most likely be MUCH better in the winter.

So maaaybe once a year or once every couple years?

Went up to Appledale Orchards in Mexico to get my annual couple half bushels of Galas and the wife got Honey Crisps...surprised the Honey Crisps were the same price! It was such a beautiful Fall day and the orchard was BUSSSSSY!

Snow days in NYC? What are those? Local school here has a couple students that tested positive and the school is now closing for in-person teaching. Wondering if I'll be back to online teaching by October...

Wow! Looks like we'll stay nestled in our apartment until at least our contract ends at the end of February. Who knows what things will look like then...Well, probably January, because the landlords will be pushing to know what we're doing...:P

How much?? Let's all go in on it together!

Yeah, if you posted winter talk too early there, you'd get scolded...usually by Stebo or ChiStorm...lol That pretty much sounds like Kalamazoo! It is often one of the warmest cities during the winter as well. When those warm fronts go through, Kalamazoo temp seems to rise rapidly...often with some dense fogs.

Perhaps it's not always thinking it's a conspiracy, but a wise decision to not accept the gazilliions of "science" informational bits that are being presented with nothing but guesses. I think it's smart to not just jump on some "theory" when the science has literally been changing week to week. That's where it IS becoming politicized...to push the agenda through.

Yeah, Montague and Worth do AMAZING with snowfall AND snowpack. I think they may even do better than Barnes. I lived in South Redfield for a year, and unfortunately that winter there were no huge LES hits for that area. SW winds kept it north much of the winter. That area is also, unfortunately, VERY economically struggling, as there aren't any jobs. The past few winters have been even harder on their economy which relies heavily on winter tourism. With the thaws even ruining good snow packs there, snowmobiling hasn't been too great. Hey, slow poke! I sure do miss some things about beautiful West Michigan! I was in Spring Lake, between Grand Haven and Muskegon. Beautiful area. GVSU/Allendale were only about a half hour away. I would go to the greenhouses down there a couple times a year. Snow melts rapidly there when you get a MOIST SW wind blowing in off the lake. I would say many years bounced back and forth between bare ground and a couple weeks of 6 to 10 inches on the ground. Back and forth. Deepest snow depth of the winter was usually around a foot and a half. Once you get north of a Manistee/Baldwin line, snow cover becomes more reliable...with higher latitude and elevation. West Michigan gets lots of "couple inch" events often from Westerly winds. Grand Rapids can often be the winner there if the winds are strong and jump the snow over the lakeshore. The next common would be the Northwest winds, which would clip much of West Michigan and often pound an area from just south of Holland to Allegan. My favorite for my area were the SW lake enhanced events. That's when Grand Haven/Spring Lake/Muskegon would cash in. This often happened on the front end of cold clippers. After our families here on the East Coast pass away in (hopefully) far away years, my wife and I would definitely consider moving back to Michigan. I love the area WEST of Traverse City to the Leelanau Peninsula. More rural, higher in elevation, close enough to a city (Traverse City is growing fast...would never live there though), close to the lake, and gets lots of lake effect snow. We did, however, LOVE the Spring Lake area of Ottawa county. We made amazing friends there. Not sure if you're talking about the Upstate NY winter thread or the New England thread? Thanks, New Englanders for letting us chat on here . The Upstate NY sub-forum is a great one too. We have great conversations, are pretty respectful, and like to laugh. Our buddy Freak can get a bit feisty...but we all know that about him. lol

Yeah, West Michigan is basically moisture-starved powder from cold clippers that gets obliterated at the first sign of a thaw. The area I live in now does pretty well with approx. 140 inches a winter, but low elevation does no favors. I am looking for a place just north of me in Oswego county. Currently, I'm only a 20 minute drive from Fulton, which averages around 175 inches a winter.