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December 1st kicks off the snowmobile season. This year it's a no-go on day 1.

26 minutes ago, raindancewx said:

The idea that civilization can be redesigned because people care about the environment or the Earth's temperature seems kind of ridiculous to me. Liberals are supposedly the people who care about the environment, but they live in densely populated, highly urbanized areas, not just in the US but globally. I live in the West, with people who are small farmers and ranchers, where we have clean water, clean air, and can see thousands of stars every night and we kind of laugh at the idea that somehow the right is the problem. There is literally nothing stopping the Democrats from changing civilization to adapt to global warming in areas that are urban and by the ocean - that is how you know it won't happen. Los Angeles alone probably produces more smog and warming than 30+ US states if traffic is as bad as I remember.

They can make an argument that condensed populations use fossil fuels more efficiently.... I can see how it's possible, but I'm not sure if that is really panning out.

Less people the better -- everywhere.

2 hours ago, AfewUniversesBelowNormal said:

Global pattern change coming in 6-7 days per models, I think it will accelerate ice melt to near record levels through July

(I can already feel it)

LoL

You're going to be disappointed.

On 11/19/2012 at 3:11 PM, Hoosier said:

-53F at IND on 1/20/1985 (temp -22, sustained wind 23 mph) but I've only checked a couple of the notorious cold dates so far.

I remember the 85' cold spell. 

Warmest month for where?

On 8/22/2017 at 8:05 PM, WinterWxLuvr said:

That would likely be the death of us all.

No it wouldn't.

2 years in a row with a brick wall ending.

We might not go below 5 km2 on Jaxa.

50/50 on that one.

Are we going to have a "Guess the minimum" thread/Poll?

I doubt we go below 4.25 on JAXA.

On 6/17/2017 at 3:02 PM, bluewave said:

Coolest first half of June at Utqiaġvik (Barrow) since 1974, 4.5°F (2.5°C) below the 1981-2010 normal. You know the weather patterns are really out of whack  when it's 36 on January 1st in Barrow and can only reach a high of 38 degrees during the first half of June.

https://mobile.twitter.com/AlaskaWx/status/875793934043291648/photo/1#

I haven't paid much attention to the ice this year, but I do follow a Bloomsky weather station in the Barrow area and was surprised how cold it was this deep into met summer. Now this makes sense.

Seems that the moment you moved to Ohio, LES has been way down and warmth way up.

On 11/17/2016 at 10:56 AM, stadiumwave said:

Anyone know where GlobalWarmer poster is? I figured he'd be all over this.  Kind of concerns me he's not posting. 

I believe he was previously named frivolous.

Something happened to him in his life I believe. He checked in and said he didn't have time for this anymore.

On 11/16/2016 at 11:50 AM, skierinvermont said:

You're right it doesn't exaggerate it as much as I thought. But I think it does still exaggerate it somewhat. The area of Russia is 6.6 million square miles. The area of the arctic ocean including the Kara, Barents, Hudson and the seas on either side of Greenland is 5.4 million. Probably around 4 million if looking just at the high arctic ocean.

There was an article on this recently... How distorted maps are versus reality.

The arctic is in a world of sh-t right now, but the global anomaly is still sitting around +0.5C above the 30 year moving average. That Russia cold is insane. We need that cold on top of the planet.

3 hours ago, nflwxman said:

Right.  In the near term, the record slow refreeze means very little in terms of "climate feedbacks."  The extent in May and June have much larger implications on lasting arctic warmth due to the sun pouring in at that time.  The argument can be made, however, that a record slow refreeze could potentially cause a less solvent ice pack moving into next melting season.

I wonder how much warmth is being released from lower in the water column.

1 hour ago, Sugarloaf1989 said:

Is this why Alaska is having a warm up with the 0C isotherm moving well north into the Arctic this week?

What does that have to do with my comment?

18 hours ago, bluewave said:

Here comes the annual October spike in Arctic Amplification as the refreeze releases heat back into the atmosphere under strong blocking.

Looks like Siberia will be the big winner in the warm Arctic very little cold for the continents pattern.

 

 

 

The arctic had almost no issues until the mid to late 1990's.

1 hour ago, Sugarloaf1989 said:

That may be but he had a video stating that the Barrow sea ice cam was down to hide the fact of the record freeze up which is false. The cam is working and shows open ocean.

The jaxa sea ice data doesn't show ice there, what's the conspiracy?

I thought sub 4.0 was a lock on jaxa.

The arctic pulled a Tayshaun Prince block right at the end of the melt season.

Possibly the worst possible winter pattern.... Didn't it stay pretty much crap right up until May?

1 hour ago, skierinvermont said:

 

Just put the CO2 back in the atmosphere... we're pretty good at that already without even trying.

The least dangerous and most logical solution is to sequester while drawing down co2 output levels. Carbon based fuels have led to the modern world, don't expect a quick solution to energy needs. We need a combo of all 3.

Reduce co2, sequester existing co2 and reverse warming in the short term with geoengineering.

1 minute ago, skierinvermont said:

I know. The most common geoengineering involves blocking the sun or sequestering CO2... both of which would have minimal impact unless done on a massive scale and sequestration is pretty reversible. 

I think the bigger issue with geoengineering is the side effects.

how?

17 minutes ago, ORH_wxman said:

We're taking geoengineering projects. 

If we lose the icepack, I think the idea will be taken more serious. There are a number of negatives, one would be the ozone depletion and the second would be the possibility of acid rain. The fact that most industrialized nations (minus China) are reducing So2, this might be leading to more warming. 

Does stratosphere SO2 end up as acid rain or is that more related to surface release?

3 hours ago, WinterWxLuvr said:

The whole idea speaks to the arrogance of humans. 

Weve pretty much always been guided by the notion that we can mold the earth into what we want it to be instead of adapting and living in harmony with it.  You could argue that it's that very notion that got us to this point in the first place.

It needs to be looked at seriously. Right now, we barely hear anyone talking about it. I think environmentalists think it's a get of of jail free card and deniers poo-poo it, because that would mean admitted there is an issue.

3 hours ago, Sundog said:

But can't we just "switch it off" so to speak if we see adverse effects?

Injecting aerosols into the stratosphere has already been tested, every time a volcano erupts. If we could knock current temps back to the 1980's levels, we could buy time and rebuild some of the icepack.

Looks bad.... 

My 4+ prediction, should bust.

Amazing how little we hear about geoengineering or sequestration. I have to wait years for anything interesting to come across the news. I bet it could all melt out tomorrow and not another nickel would go into either of these ventures.