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2 hours ago, tamarack said:

Balsam fir is relatively short-lived, subject to internal defect, shallow rooted, and with dense evergreen foliage.  What's not for the wind to like?

I agree that foliage was key - by late October on LI I'd guess leaf drop had been considerable on non-oak species, so not only did they have more sail area still rigged but lacked protection from their neighbors.  In addition, oak crowns tend to be wider than those of the other species noted, and that would be particularly true on the sand-rich soils on much of the island.  That wide-branching growth habit may be why oaks in NNJ took some of the worst damage in the NW gales back on 12/31/62 - seeing bare-limbed large white oaks, usually deeper rooted than reds, being tipped out of semi-frozen soil (my temps for that day were 5/-8) was surprising.

What were the winds like during that event. During sandy we had about 6 hours of gusts to around 60 out of the east followed by about 2 hours with gusts to 80 out of the south east.

5 hours ago, tamarack said:

For those 2 species there's probably little difference - perhaps the elm might go first.  Substitute aspen for either and the difference becomes stark.  Aspen wood is far weaker and it's not only a tall species but one with all its foliage near the top, thus maximizing the wind's leverage.  On my woodlot (and anywhere else I've looked), aspen suffers most from wind when leaves are full, balsam fir when leaves have fallen.

Interesting about the balsam fir.  

I did extensive hiking around Long Island after sandy and determined that species acted different then expected. Oaks received by far the most damage. They tended to fully uproot. I was able to locate several full blow downs in a preserve near my house. 100 mature red and white oaks toppled like dominos. Meanwhile red maple, sweet gum, black gum and tulip right next to them where perfectly fine.

My theory on why the oaks took such a comparable beating is due to their folliage. Oak leaves are very robust and thus tended to stay on the tree during the many hours of strong winds leading up to the period of extreme winds that caused the blow downs. Most of the other species had a good amount of their folliage stripped earlier in the storm.   

September 15th

2 hours ago, RUNNAWAYICEBERG said:

Shot of the 100ft oak? maple? I dunno, it’s a big tree.  

 

It’s a red maple 

9 hours ago, CPcantmeasuresnow said:

Amy Freeze said the city would get 1-3 inch total snowfall at her 8:20 am update this morning.

Central Park reported 4.8 inches at 8am this morning. Sometimes they are so clueless you just shake your head.

She’s a bumbling moron. And I hate talking that negatively about somone. But she’s really that bad. Lee is the best in the business and Jeff smith is also top notch. Bill Evans is meh in my opinion. He’s got a good screen presence for the general public. Amy has none of the other three’s qualities which makes me really wonder how she’s lasted so long. 

4 minutes ago, powderfreak said:

It's insane.  Probably another 4-6" today but we'll know later with the Stake checks.

It's snowing close to 1"/hr still and seems to have no plans to stop. 

That’s such a classic a radar loop for you guys. The northern spine is doing its thing!!! 

2 hours ago, powderfreak said:

32" at 3,000ft... about two-thirds of the way up but yeah, that's high elevation total.

25" at the office elevation.

Probably another couple inches since that too.

Glad you guys are getting the goods now too!!! That should help thin out the crowds this weekend. Nothing like a gondola ride up with Stowe locals who headed south last weekend. Stratton broke it’s all time financial record Saturday!!

2 hours ago, backedgeapproaching said:

 I have seen every report they sent in over the past 3-4 years and quietly questioning the total validity of their numbers.  I mean they are always just so outrageous in every single event, like every one. I figured being at the crest there benefits them a ton and it really is an uber weenie spot, but now with you close by you can kind of cross check.   

Although Wilmington VT reported 20" over the past 2 days before anything today which falls kind of line with Woodfords-- before the upslope today.

If you do take their reports as accurate, they have had 93" in the past week or so, which is insane.

I can’t wait to get back up there tomorrow night. The amount of snow has been nothing short of epic. And that was before this event. How did you do in this one?

Moderate snow in nyc right now. You guys are so lucky, just missed this one here 

7 minutes ago, Damage In Tolland said:

I’d bring 6-12 NYC - ALB axis 

Agreed, how many times have we seen the best banding set up well Nw of the forecast!!!

Can someone give a rundown of local on airs for 11pm I do not have access to tv at work 

2 hours ago, Stormlover74 said:

One thing about Steve D when he picks out an idea, he seems to look for anything to back that up

NY NJ PA Weather‏Verified account @nynjpaweather 10m10 minutes ago

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I am watching the speed of this storm and I'm starting to wonder if the precipitation comes in so fast that the atmosphere doesn't have time to cool. Boy would that cut down snow fall totals!

This guys supposed to be a pro? This is one of the most idiotic comments I have ever read. And that says allot around here.

1 hour ago, coastalplainsnowman said:

For Nassau/Suffolk, TWC has practically 0  for LI other than <1 in northern third of Nassau, with a sliver of 1-3 right along the north shore.

Way way way out to lunch for the north shore. Their map makes no sense. They have the cape and islands in the heavier snow. I don’t think there has ever been a storm where  the cape and islands had more snow then the north shore of Long Island in this setup. 

On 1/4/2018 at 4:30 AM, Snow88 said:

JB Ftw

Yeah, he nailed this one. As much as he does have a cold bias he is a good met. Great example of meteorology over modelology

6 hours ago, Paragon said:

Indeed.  We either get 1-3 inches of snow or 10+ it seems.  Moderate snowstorms have become extremely rare.

I wouldn’t say that, we had a bunch of moderate events in 13/14 and 15/16. But yes the big events have Devine much more frequent 

1 minute ago, Paragon said:

Also good for tropical threats!

 

Yeah not to inflate the egos of our friends to the north, that’s just a great weather spot in general. The same area I’m taking about also has decent severe. Think the Worcester Mass tornado 

9 hours ago, Paragon said:

But you don't seem to like hot summers, and I love those, because I'm a big numbers guy and I enjoy watching the temps reach for 100, the same way I enjoy watching a 20 inch snowstorm lol.  I love temperature extremes (both hot and cold) and precipitation extremes (rain, snow and even ice) and wind extremes.

I was going to start a topic on this earlier, but I didn't know if anyone had the right answer for this- but where in the country is the best place to be to experience 20 inch snowstorms in the winter and 100 degree heat in the summer?

 

 

 

 

Probably just away from the coast in New England. Lower elevation for heat but still access to big storms.

6 hours ago, Dan76 said:

correct

Big swell headed for Hawaii and the West Coast!!

20 hours ago, Dan76 said:

Today

W wind 65 kt. Gusts to 80 kt. Seas 47 ft subsiding to 40 ft in the afternoon   LOL

Where is that? I’m assuming the gulf of Alaska?

Happy Thanks Giving from work!! (Double time) paying off my season pass for Stratton!!

Still a ridiculous amount of green leaves in the city. It’s like the major cold shot never happened. 

3 hours ago, snywx said:

Wow.. Looks like he is going all in on a cold, snowy winter for the NE.

That’s below normal temps and above normal precip wall to wall. That would be a 95/96 type winter if it verfied.

1 hour ago, bluewave said:

The Bunker commercial fishing restrictions resulted in a big increase in food supply to bring the Humpbacks into our waters.

 

 

The bunker schools have been getting exponentially bigger every year. They were so thick at Jones Beach this summer it turned the water black. Absolutely incredible to see in person!!!

1 hour ago, JerseyWx said:

Definitely.  Both explain weather phenomenon very well IMO.

Speaking of leaf drop, my neighbors tree (which is almost entirely over our property) usually doesn't shed until after Thanksgiving, sometimes even into December.  However, after last Friday's cold and wind combo, they dropped off faster than I've ever seen before.  Most other trees around here are either completely bare, or if they do have leaves it is a mix of brown/dull colors.  Really not much green left.  Unlike last year, I waited to start raking until now, otherwise the leaves come right back.

That’s what I do at home. After the last time I cut the lawn I wait until all the leaves are down. 

Here on campus I have to do them every day 

1 hour ago, Brian5671 said:

Bradford Pears too-those leaves often stay on if they freeze...

Bradford Pears on campus just now