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2 hours ago, bluewave said:

People like to make jokes about the Great Lakes. But the record warmth there has been greatly moderating our Arctic outbreaks in recent years. As was the case this winter combined with the record Canadian and Hudson Bay warmth. February 2016 and 2023 were the two Arctic outbreaks which reached 0° or colder east of the Hudson and required Northerly flow down from Canada going east of the Great Lakes instead of crossing the warmer waters. In the old days we could get to near 0° with westerly flow across the more frozen Great Lakes when Canada was much colder. 

I highly recommend the documentary The Fish Thief, which delves into the history of the Great Lakes and its once impressive commercial fisheries; narrated by Oscar winner JK Simmons and featuring the best scholars of the era, as one of them points out, you cannot look at one of them and think it's just a lake.

3 hours ago, LibertyBell said:

January 1976 too?? Wow that wasn't even a cold winter.

It was if you were walking to the bus stop in leather dress shoes and thin socks because you had to wear a stupid uniform with thin polyester pants.....but at least we had snorkel jackets. 

8 minutes ago, LibertyBell said:

the cold and windy is particularly jarring.

spring snows with sunshine and no wind the next day can be quite pleasant.

I remember one of my favorite March snows was in 1996 when we had 7 inches of snow, it snowed all night and most of the morning.  Around 1 pm the sun came out and the temperature rose into the 50s and there was absolutely no wind-- there's nothing better than that!

 

We had a storm in Feb 93 like that; pretty decent snow and temps soared the next day; we did not have the day off because it was an inner city school and at that time, they just didn't have snow days. They would, a few weeks later, when the ice encrusted super sleet storm dumped 11 inches of concrete on us. Closed for 3 days.....

47 minutes ago, EastonSN+ said:

Raleigh is getting it good today too. Great year for the South. Poor DC is just to far north these days.

Got a feeling most people there would not think it is great.

Just now, jm1220 said:

Long Beach had 10-11” of paste on 3/21/18 and 6” on 4/2/18. I know that’s a once in a couple decade scenario but we both know what a snow pit that area is. It was 2003 but snow accumulated perfectly fine in the city on 4/8/03. It’s a matter of getting the heavier rates overhead and temps below 32 if possible. 

I remember 4/8/03; they let us out early from my school job; it came down quick and the lillies were blooming already. Somewhere I have pictures of my son, now 27, and my bundled up baby girl, now 22. I believe those were the happiest days of my life. At 62, everything hurts already, the kids are adults and can be surly, the wife is also in pain most of the time....enjoy your younger years. What's good about being older? I get up when I want and don't have someone looking over my shoulder anymore 

Just now, LibertyBell said:

Even April.... after the end of February though it's a good idea to keep any expectations low.

My experience is that April snows usually follow blockbuster winters, a sort of gusty FU and middle finger by mother nature; you thought you were done? Wrong, here's another!

2 hours ago, NEG NAO said:

huh ? precip is above normal this month at Central Park after this past weekend storm and another storm next week

We have not had enough. " With below average precipitation conditions remaining the dominant weather pattern statewide, NJ remains in drought warning." Source: NJ DEP, Feb. 19, 2025 update.

4 minutes ago, NEG NAO said:

that has to be some sort of record -- 12 snowfalls worth 16 inches........in one season

But we've been  moisture starved for months, and that continues.

5 minutes ago, RU848789 said:

I get the disappointment in the season, but at the same time I've had 12 measurable snowfalls totaling 16", albeit 4 of them were <1" and 6 of them were 1-1.5", with only 2 of them in the 3-4" range - but all of them made it look wintry for at least a few hours to a day.  Have had at least a bit of snow coverage much of the winter post 12/20, as it's been cold, preserving the small snowfalls.  If we can get another 1" tomorrow and a couple of 3-4" storms before the winter is over, I'm up to about normal.  

I don't think we're going to see anymore this year. But I'll admit it's been nice to see some snow coverage; this morning the cold was brutal; if you look at a mall parking lot you'd think we'd just had an epic winter with all the high piles; it's just been so cold they haven't melted. I'm not a fan of this cold, and really would prefer 50 degrees and rain to this. This kind of cold is painful, quite literally. 

55 minutes ago, RedSky said:

Plus the crazy Russian and Steve Buscemi, I like our chances

Peter Stormare, one of the great character actors of our time. Go check out Fargo if you don't believe me. And Buscemi too, who was a NY firefighter IIRC.

25 minutes ago, RU848789 said:

That graphic makes it look like the asteroid is the size of Saudi Arabia, lol - it's actually 177 feet across.  Not sure if Bruce Willis or Robert Duvall will still be around to save us...

Willis is terminally ill, so it's unlikely. Duvall is older than God. But Ben Affleck is still around....

1 hour ago, RU848789 said:

Is there any better summary of how this winter has gone for most of us in this forum than the GFS graphic of snowfall for the next 16 days?  It's not that we've been shutout, but that everywhere else around us, even areas that usually get much less, has gotten more and is projected to get even more.  Ouch.

LOL showed this to a friend of mine and he was like, wow we are so lucky, look at all that miserable snow around us!

20 minutes ago, allgame830 said:

Who said lol…. As quickly as it was taking away it could easily come back just saying. Not saying it will happen but it’s not impossible 

Well, a huge earthquake is theoretically possible here too. 

27 minutes ago, CPcantmeasuresnow said:

Well, there are years like 2018. I had snow on the ground the entire month of March.  Of course it took 40+ inches of snow that month to do that. I believe the city had 18 inches in total that month.

Every one of those storms was a miss for me except the last one, which dumped so much even my snow hole got 6-10. It was worth it, and it stuck around for a week or so.

18 minutes ago, dseagull said:

Im patient.  What i would like to avoid is late winter/early spring coastals with rain.   Good for nothing in my life.  I'm a hige fan of drought conditions during my work season. 

I'm retired with no work season thank god, and I still hate that kinda weather. Messes up the fishing. Not that there's much to fish for anymore; really miss the old winter flounder runs, which used to be from Boston to Barnegat ( Barnegat Bay was their southern extent, many believe it was due to cedar but who knows ) I caught one in LI Sound last year porgy fishing; the kids on board had never seen one. Still see them offshore on wrecks, which is not my kinda fishing. I'm a bay rat.

Just now, Stormlover74 said:

Even worse it'll probably be 40 and rainy for the next 6 weeks

Count on it.

14 minutes ago, nycsnow said:

This hurts 

https://x.com/nwsraleigh/status/1891253946418667941?s=46

Keep in mind people move South to get away from the snow.  Southerners are not at all happy about getting snow. Once it is fun. Twice is interesting. After that they are looking at moving to the Equator.

1 minute ago, EastonSN+ said:

It cost me $90 every time they plow my driveway when it's over 3 inches. I look at saving the $90 as compensation for missing the upcoming storm.

Our neighborhood drunk will do it for 25 bucks if you give him the snowblower. Although in Jan 2016 he demanded a little more.....

6 minutes ago, greenmtnwx said:

Always next year buddy

We had a wintry look for awhile, the paltry snow pack lasted a week, we will have to be satisfied with it.

Just now, EastonSN+ said:

We are probably going to get annihilated with an epic winter next year and all this will be forgotten.

What gives me solace is my friends and family are all just thrilled with the lack of snow.No one likes it, not even my kids who are 22 and 27 now. All are happy if it never snows again. Even the dogs hate it, expecting me to shovel them a path to do their business....

1 minute ago, Stormlover74 said:

And none for 9 years between 69 and 78. I'm not even sure we had an 8" storm in that span

A number of years back someone posted a WINS report from maybe 1975 where they were closing in on 8 inches in the city, and this was really big news....forget the met but he was one of the famous ones. I can attest that 8 inches was a big deal; in 1978 the big Feb storm was surreal; snow up to my waste, and I was already 5'10 ( I'd make it to almost 6 by senior year, and am now shrunk back to 5'9 ).

Just now, KeithB said:

Nothing new. Same shit again and again and again. Either it amps and is mainly a rain event, or it's suppressed and south of us or out to sea. On the rare instance things work out, there is NEVER downstream blocking anymore for god knows what reason, and it becomes a 6 hour progressive event with 3 to 6 inches. Feels impossible to get a 12+ inch event here and there like the good old days. I really am at a stage of almost giving up

More like 1-3 inches these days. This storm has been garbage for days now. Maybe we get an anomaly in March and pick up a 3-6 paste job or two, but for the most part, we can probably close the books on this whole winter.

Just now, EastonSN+ said:

Yeah it goes back to the fact that 2000 through 2018 was like 55 through 69 where we had blocking in the right places and a dominant PNA ridge or EPO.

This probably happened a lot 1970 through 1999 (I know I have stated this at exhaustion LOL).

The Newark Star Ledger ( I have to mention this at least once a winter ) in 1991 ran a feature on "whatever happened to winter?" Winter started to return in March 92 and went gangbusters in 93 and 94, dialed back to one big storm in 95, and then 96, the gold standard....and nothing again until the New Years storm of 2000-01, and the headlines proclaimed it the biggest snow in 5 years, and it was, about 14 inches.....

25 minutes ago, LibertyBell said:

People forget that Brooklyn on east everyone had 12" or more.

It was only the park that had 6 inches or whatever they had,.

 

SI and NE NJ had smaller amounts too. These types of storms, the bands shift east around Monmouth Co or so, leaving us with lighter precip. Last Feb we finally jackpotted for a change and had nearly a foot IIRC.

18 minutes ago, Rjay said:

Hmmm what could it be

Too many years of steroid use would be my guess, though he always claimed he was all natural....but so did Lance Armstrong and most of the former GDR swimming teams......