Stebo

I thank my grandmother for that, my grandparents never lived beyond their means growing and my grandfather worked for Ford starting in the 70s. For the first few decades the pay was low for a family of 6. But by the late 80s and into the 90s the pay got better and my grandmother was a wiz at investing. By the time my grandfather retired in the early 2000s they were and still are worth a couple million dollars. It can be done even by blue collar families but it takes a lot of lean years early and smart investing while never living beyond your means.

There is definitely an undeniable pattern to that map, not only by location but by political party of the states.

Gross incompetence of the Feds and how this has played out can't be ignored. That is for sure. By the way your 2nd example is what is happening to my mom, she is on reduced hours 20/week.

You bring up a great point with your last paragraph, my dad is making more at home than working right now even after 35 years being a welder for the same shop. This is a bargaining chip that the middle and lower class need to use because in no way shape or form should one make more at home than working. Even in this special circumstance, companies coming out on the other side need to be paying their workers more especially because this isn't going to be any easier when those who aren't working go back to work.

I do agree there. Personally I don't though because being single for a good amount of my life, I know that if something happens to me and I am not prepared, I am ****ed.

Well in that case then we are truly ****ed. These are the same states and companies crying for money too. There needs to be a complete change in the way business is done after this because that is just gross negligence

That just isn't true if they are getting unemployment 960 a week before taxes per worker, if that is not enough money especially if both spouses are work and/or on unemployment they are living beyond their means. Those who aren't getting unemployment because delays are going to get it and get it backdated so the missing money will be there. That is more of an issue of gross negligence at a state level, thankfully this state has done much better than others.

In the day time no less. I would absolutely pound the under on this one.

Who is 'we' and what industry is 'we', that makes a huge difference in the conversation. But the money is lost only in principle, the money will be spent once things open up because a lot of people are sitting on liquidity right now. Anyone that is working or even collecting unemployment. The latter of which covers many of those service industry workers. Vegas obviously is a different ball of wax because of the gaming industry though so I will give credit on that one.

Yeah agree 100% the danger is there for everyone and eve. If you aren't dying if you catch it, it is horrible if you are symptomatic.

Exactly. So who are these people who are suffering. Sure there might be someone out there that is but every measure possible is being done to make sure that isn't the case and furthermore some are even making more with this happening which is a whole different horrible issue. But to that point people have money and will spend when this opens. So the economy tanking is on speculation by people who profit off speculation.

But it only impacts the old........... again people need to read more before coming along saying it's only impacting the old or even killing just the old. And even if it is killing those who have a preexisting condition. Last I checked having these symptoms for 2 months isn't a walk in the park.

So you are for state's rights then you should be fine with Whitmer's response, but wait you only care about states rights if you then agree with them too.

4/5th of this country is still working a vast majority that isn't working is getting assistance. You are a business owner I'd like to think you have the capital to survive a few months shut down if you are especially with small business assistance as well. If businesses don't have that capital that is a problem, those businesses shouldn't be paycheck to paycheck as well. That is poor business skills. So at this point who out there is actually struggling because outside of assistance being stalled which is more of a government problem, there shouldn't be many if at all struggling.

We won't know because it was dismantled...

And there it is...

There are people especially on one side of the aisle that want to do all of this, the other side is pissed off that anyone got anything extra as it is. Sadly that will always be political.

Life expectancy numbers for one thing. Just like you are assuming all these old people are ready to die at 75. It is an average which means you can and often do have people living well beyond that. Either way this is still way more deadly than the flu so the comparison is useless.

That is a third of people that are still dying well before they should. Stop ignoring that.

This isn't killing old people. Did you just shut down the internet and TV for 5 weeks and then decide to come in here and drop old points?

Hell when there is no definitive treatment available too.

It isn't just killing old people, that myth was completely destroyed weeks ago.

Rural cases are going up though per capita. Yeah there are some places isolated that haven't like the UP, but the rest of the areas are going up and would have gone through the roof without preventative measures that were put in place. That last part escapes people.

Furthermore public opinion of how the government, specifically the state government is very favorable on how they have handled this so far.

Here is the problem with his belief, we have 70k people dead with the government's reaction with no end in sight. How many would we have dead if we weren't doing all these preventative measures, I would argue 3x 4x 5x dead or even worse with hospitals inundated.