RobertSul

3 minutes ago, Maestrobjwa said:

And this is what doesn't make sense to me. The only reason I can see is just to use something to excuse not wearing masks or the coalition against Fauci. Otherwise, that people somehow genuinely couldn't understand even after 6 months of consistent guidance doesn't seem plausible to ne...

Bingo. Any justification is good justification, no natter how weak.

4 minutes ago, Maestrobjwa said:

But again though...how could the message not be muddled right at the start of this, seeing as they were all still learning? But then they corrected as they followed the science. I mean...I could see if stuff kept changing, but consistency over 6 months oughta be enough to get the message across. I can't believe that folks still wouldn't trust it after that unless it were purposeful mistrust, lol

Exactly. It’s like linking a thesis written in the 1600s about how the sun revolves around the Earth and using that to support a claim. It’s disingenuous.

17 minutes ago, JoMo said:

It shows that the "message" was obfuscated from the start. Here you have Dr. Fauci downplaying masks entirely and saying the only ones that should be wearing them are medical professionals and people who are sick. 

In addition, here's an earlier article showing Dr. Fauci's statements at various times downplaying the risk as well, as the situation developed. 

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2020/04/03/virus_experts_early_statements_belie_prescient_portrayal_142845.html

We’ve been through this already. Masks were limited and had to be reserved for those who needed it most. If everyone thought they needed masks early on, medical staff wouldn’t have enough and would succumb to COVID, bringing about unstaffed hospitals that would fail as sick patients were piling in. 

Why are you clinging onto 6 month old information in a 7 month long pandemic?

3 minutes ago, dta1984 said:

Easy there turbo.  The fact is, we were still told masks would not help prevent the disease early on.   Whatever the reasoning is behind that is irrelevant to my point.  There have been so many mixed messages, which is partly to blame for the confusion some still have. 

The reasoning is extremely relevant - how can medical staff tend to patients if they themselves are not protected? 

What isn’t relevant is you clinging to an outdated situation as an excuse for the current one. 
 

19 minutes ago, NEOH said:

State Governor's (not Trump) made all COVID related decisions which hasn't changed I believe -- so there is your starting point for expressing disappointment. For some reason I don't hear or see anything in the news about state Governors... except New York given what happened there early on. Some states handled it well such as Ohio, and others did not. 

Which state governor has a strong influence on the actions and thoughts of 50-60 million people? I’ve never seen people try so hard to deny responsibility and accountability to the office that should be held to the very highest standard of both. 

2 minutes ago, dta1984 said:

So are you saying that all of our "experts" said masks were not necessary just so there wouldn't be a shortage?

Edit;. To add "early on they were saying this"

Masks were needed for frontline medical staff. If they were overcome with COVID, who’d have attended to the influx of patients? Please use critical thinking skills and trust of experts, the world is laughing at us. 
 

"I don't regret anything I said then because in the context of the time in which I said it, it was correct. We were told in our task force meetings that we have a serious problem with the lack of PPEs.”

- Dr. Fauci

6 minutes ago, dta1984 said:

Just curious, what would you propose the federal government do?   Most individual states are enforcing masks, distancing etc. 

Having the most influential political party leader not calling it a hoax, not saying it’d be over in April, not making fun of people who wore masks would’ve been a great start. 

16 minutes ago, dta1984 said:

No that wasn't the issue.  There were all kinds of people saying they weren't effective early on.  Alot of mixed messages. 

How can people wear masks if there are no masks? People were saying they were needed for medical staff early on to prevent hoarding. 

10 minutes ago, dta1984 said:

Wasn't the early direction that masks are only needed if you're infected? 

During March and April when there was a nationwide shortage on masks (and paper towels and toilet paper).

2 hours ago, Stebo said:

The risking of SS is just sad, these people would give their lives for the president and they are needlessly being endangered.

They’re supposed to take a bullet /for/ the President, not /from/ the President. 

Metadata shows these were taken 10 minutes apart in different rooms, probably to give the illusion of working “late into the night”.

6 hours ago, Malacka11 said:

Here's a higher resolution photo. He's not even writing his signature, just his last name.

Again, optics.
 

“Working hard for the American people.”

22 hours ago, Chicago Storm said:

Here’s a good view...
 

 

 

That would’ve been easily caught by anyone editing it, and there’s no one who’d think that wouldn’t have caused a lot of speculation.  

Call me crazy but it’s possible he doesn’t have COVID. You can pay and/or influence the right people to lie when you’re arguably the most powerful person on earth; not to mention the vague, sometimes contradictory details that are coming out.
 

Oxygen levels “below 94 but not in the low 80s?” Medications taken are prescribed for patients with severe symptoms, and yet he’s well enough to address the nation, go for a ride and even might be discharged as early as tomorrow? Attending physician, who only sees one patient all week and that’s the President, didn’t know whether he’d been on oxygen? 
 

Trump loves his optics which makes him a good entertainer, but we need transparency through the veneer for a functioning government that most people can trust. 

13 hours ago, H2Otown_WX said:

Lmao, Snow at Times? Wtf does that even mean?

It means that sometime over the next 6 months, an undetermined amount of rain and snow will fall over a large geographical area where rain and snow fall. 
 

Reminds me of the old George Carlin line, “Tonight’s Forecast: Dark.”

2 hours ago, nwohweather said:

He said I have made it apparent that I don’t view this as a big deal. Lol I mean come on I can’t fully do my job, have kept most dining to outdoor and wear a mask in public places. Just because I don’t think everything needs to be shutdown doesn’t mean I’m so hardcore anti-masker. We can have balance folks.

You’re right about balance. But back in April, there were shortages on masks, ventilators and tests, and we knew a lot less about the virus then than we do now. Yes, the potential ceiling for a very high death rate decreased, which can be attributed to the increase in supplies, mask-adherence and medical knowledge involving treatments. 

1 hour ago, nwohweather said:

The courts ruled it unconstitutional. They could just pass resolutions instead of declaring executive orders?

Just like how I should go to the store to buy milk instead of stealing my neighbor’s. Sure it’s more convenient to steal their milk, but probably not best.

If stealing your neighbor’s milk saved your neighbor’s life, you’d want that to be tied up in litigation? 
 

“Oh geez, stealing my neighbor’s milk today will save his life tomorrow, but let’s litigate into next Friday and I’ll make my decision then..”

Your neighbor’s dead by next Friday. Now multiply that by thousands. 

2 hours ago, nwohweather said:

How you can make this comment is staggering. Honestly it’s completely illegal what this woman is doing. Using emergency declarations when the legislature is not passing resolutions in order to control the activities of a population?
 

Have you considered that if all states took Michigan’s approach, our president would have had a much, much lower chance of contracting COVID?

1 hour ago, weatherbo said:

At 30, the first snow still makes me feel like a kid.  I'm just glad it isn't here to stay.   

Man, and you go through the shortest length of time between last and first snowfalls of anyone.

Congrats on your first snow of the season!

7 hours ago, nwohweather said:

I can assure you that no Southern states will do this. 

Are you the Assistant to the Regional Manager of the South? 

Just now, madwx said:

see my post above with the actual CDC data.  Fox News was using bad math

That makes more sense. In other words, 100 times deadlier than what was posted. 

3 hours ago, CoachLB said:

Considering out of the 7 million confirmed infections there’ve been 200,000 deaths, which leads to an infection fatality percentage of 2.8%, I don’t think those numbers you posted are related to COVID. 

9 hours ago, michsnowfreak said:

meh, not sure.  Both ORD and DTW are not in the city propers, they are in suburban areas. 

I remember O’Hare being in a pretty built-up area. Romulus feels as though it’s basically in the middle of a big field. 

On 9/10/2020 at 2:44 PM, A-L-E-K said:

don't like and bad

 

Looks like the Arctic is having a hernia. 

56 minutes ago, Stebo said:

Several of the highest per capita case amounts over the last few months have been in the south. That is the truth. Your anecdotes are irrelevant here.

Dude, I totally understand your passion about all this, but you gotta take a deep breath and let the North vs South stuff go. This isn’t as cut-and-dry as that, and there are certainly contributing influences outside of the political realm (climate for one - Southerners DO spend more hours in the relatively dry indoors during the hot summer). 

I concede that reopening early had a sharper effect on the curve in places, and urban areas are taking more precautionary methods since a communicable disease will naturally spread faster in high density places, but you gotta look at the breadth of this situation with a more open mind.

Michigan is the only state east of the Rockies whose NWS offices haven’t issued a single tornado warning this year.