RobertSul

On 10/26/2020 at 4:06 PM, michsnowfreak said:

fwiw,  I have now went out to dinner once and today I had to go to Sam's club to do some shopping. These are the first 2 times I've been in public since having it and I can report that every single person I saw was wearing a mask. If people just continue to cooperate we can hopefully avoid a lockdown. 

I’m optimistic that we won’t be going through another hard lockdown. You couldn’t get masks in March, and treatments have been improved with a better understanding of the virus, not to mention that most have adapted to the mentality of social distancing and testing is more widespread.

Having a mask mandate helps a lot, too. Sure, you’ll still have people who’ll disregard it, but the 10% (accounts for a million or so in MI) of people who’d go around maskless without a mandate will have a far less likely chance of infecting a million more, so hospitals should hopefully withstand this round.

2 minutes ago, JoMo said:

Well, there are decency laws on the books. There aren't really any 'mask wearing' laws on the books. There's a lot of anti-mask laws on the books though. Mostly has to do with the KKK, rioting, and concealing the face to commit crimes though. You can't police everyone, everywhere, all the time when it comes to mask wearing, and I would bet that most people are getting the virus from friends and family members when they gather. 

You don’t think wearing a mask during a pandemic should be introduced as a temporary “decency law”? 

3 minutes ago, dta1984 said:

I said they have had ups and downs in the response.  

I’ll agree. In late March, I was really hopeful. We were finally being told upfront just how serious this would be, and it seemed like everything was cohesive, and that our leader was being compassionate. If he kept that up over the summer, I’d have been first in line to vote for him. 
 

Instead, it turned into a shit show.

Just now, JoMo said:

"Forcing" people to wear masks, just makes people not do it to 'fight against the government'. Masks aren't stopping the spread, they lower the risk, but it's not a magical thing that's going to change people's habits when it comes to hand washing and social distancing, which is something people are tired of as it is.

 

People are “forced” to wear pants when they go out, or risk being arrested. Where are the anti-pants brigades? 

6 minutes ago, OSUmetstud said:

Influence. Are you even trying right now?

He’s been trained into thinking this administration can do no wrong, and if something does happen, it’s either someone else’s fault or it’s an “impossible” situation. 

1 minute ago, dta1984 said:

It is a damn unprecedented epidemic.  It is an impossible situation. 

No it's your closed minded views clouding yourself. 

Why was controlled spread *possible* for other countries? Why is it impossible for us? 

4 minutes ago, dta1984 said:

Maybe you didn't quite comprehend what I said.   I said they were in an impossible position.  That is a fact, this is unprecedented.  The response they have had has had ups and downs.  That part is up for debate, and obviously your political views will cloud your response. 

The only reason this was an impossible situation is we have someone who yields a lot of influence on impressionable minds saying from the start that this was a hoax. And then there were less than 15 cases and it’d be gone. And then it’d go away in April. And then belittled reporters/political opponents for wearing a mask. 
 

The fact that you don’t see the trend here speaks volumes. 

“Impossible situation” for the most powerful country on Earth.

https://www.emsworld.com/news/1225033/us-has-highest-covid-19-death-rate-developed-world

4 hours ago, dta1984 said:

I'll go ahead and add the full quote.   This administration was in an impossible position, and has had ups and downs.

“We’re not going to control the pandemic. We are going to control the fact that we get vaccines, therapeutics and other mitigation efforts,”

An impossible position? We have the worst death rate of developed nations. Why do you even bother voting for such an important position if you don’t think the person you’re voting for should be held accountable for anything? 

Also, how are these therapeutics going to work when hospitals are already having to ration supplies, while cases are still going up? Utah is going to have to in a week or two, and hospitalization rates lag behind positive cases.
 

https://www.sltrib.com/news/2020/10/25/with-coronavirus-cases/

3 hours ago, dta1984 said:

I'll go ahead and add the full quote.   This administration was in an impossible position, and has had ups and downs.

“We’re not going to control the pandemic. We are going to control the fact that we get vaccines, therapeutics and other mitigation efforts,”

How many more months until a vaccine comes out? How are uninsured people going to get access to any of this after ACA is struck down? Long-term effects still aren’t fully understood, but let’s give up on trying to control the spread.

9 minutes ago, mattb65 said:

Just another variation of taking no responsibility for the harm caused by the virus while at the same time trying to take credit for any breakthrough from the scientific community that they have denigrated during this administration's term in office.

"It is what it is"

Surprising for them to state their position so plainly right in the home stretch of the election. I guess with the numbers rising to record heights it's their only defense at this point.

 

I’m really disappointed that the party of “personal responsibility” has turned into “I take no responsibility” in just a few short years. It’s amazing the damage that a cult of personality can do in such a short amount of time. 

“We’re not going to control the pandemic.” — White House chief of staff Mark Meadows, Oct. 25, 2020.

2 hours ago, chuckster2012 said:

Strange, because I live in Indiana and haven't known anyone with Covid since March and no one who had died!

I’ve never met anyone from Evansville and am convinced it doesn’t exist. 

1 hour ago, dryslot said:

Nice my burning bushes are burning..

Needs a shot of penicillin.

4 hours ago, nwohweather said:

They also drove cars with Northern license plates haha. I’m sorry I live in a place now that people from the Midwest wish they did, and love visiting

Geez, with all the people in the Midwest desperate to live in South Carolina, there must be a very difficult and exclusive vetting process since the state has less than half the population of Illinois, Ohio and Michigan. 

How long did it take to complete the South Carolinian citizenship exam? Recommend any good study guides? 

Looks like Lake Shore Advisory season has started in SE Michigan. 

7 hours ago, bowtie` said:

That is the perfect amount of snow. Shows off the brickwork pattern very nicely.

That is the perfect amount of snow if you have no snow.

Bury that picnic table!

(Though I really like the aesthetic of this, too.)

The accumulated snowfall maps for the next week or so looks more like a late November pattern. Hopefully we can keep something like this going through winter! 

We do pretty well with GDP PPP per Capita, too. Again, really good for a country our size:

https://www.worldometers.info/gdp/gdp-per-capita/
Wealth disparity is a different issue and does skew these numbers from an equity standpoint, but not by a HUGE amount. 

1 hour ago, nwohweather said:

I feel like I need my British girlfriend to come on here and explain these things to you guys lol. Really you guys have no idea how wealthy we are compared to just about every other country. It’s a hell of a combination of high incomes/low taxes/cheap imports that we have

Our cheap imports have gotten a bit more expensive since the Trade War started. 

Our Human Development Index is pretty high up, tied with England. It’s especially good for such a populous country. 

http://hdr.undp.org/en/composite/HDI

49 minutes ago, ikcarsky said:

"Clearly"? 

 

Why isn’t it he on it now if we’ve had this correction for over a month now?

Also, it was heavily promoted back in April, WAY before any kind of real trial and scientific-based conclusions could’ve been made.

2 minutes ago, NEOH said:

Not that hot actually as they have been negotiating for months. Remove the non-COVID crap from the bill and its gets passed. The stimulus isn't meant to be a looting spree. 

“or maybe big pharma' $$$ is to important.” 

Did you get whiplash from that pivot? The tweet wasn’t about passing, it was about the step BEFORE that, talking/negotiating, in which the “non-COVID crap” could be discussed. But even that preliminary step has been delayed by 4+ weeks.

5 minutes ago, NEOH said:

Oof. That's expensive. Perhaps some of the stimulus money could have gone in to funding this... or get another stimulus passed that includes it? Surprised that none of the politicians have discussed that -- or maybe big pharma' $$$ is to important. 

Hot off the presses!

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/5899988002

10 minutes ago, dta1984 said:

Woah!  The point was "where the virus originated.". The rest of this baseless rant is unnecessary. 

Baseless means without foundation in fact.

The only speculation in that “rant” was profiting from a German vaccine. Everything else is well-documented.

23 minutes ago, NEOH said:

Where did you read that? Sounds like something from an entertainment website :). Its posts like that which derail the thread and stoke the Trump fire. Everyone wants to blame someone -- at what point do people start shifting their eyes to where the virus originated? 

“Everyone wants to blame someone, but let’s blame China.”

Tell me how I can vote for Chinese officials. 

Furthermore, China didn’t disband our pandemic response team in 2018, didn’t send our ventilators to Russia earlier in the year, didn’t push hydroxychloroquine when it clearly didn’t work, didn’t try to monopolize (and profit from) a potential German vaccine, didn’t meander about the White House among staff and military leaders, while maskless, like a ticking biological weapon, didn’t hold large, close-quartered, maskless rallies for its ego, didn’t threaten to withhold funds to states if it didn’t get its way.