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Any proof to back that up? That is a fairly bold claim there without firsthand knowledge. Lots of conjecture out there but not a lot of information.

Give them a chance to see what they do before putting the down and declaring the incompetent.

Go listen to the representative from the 101st. A republican who is t saying let’s go wild. He has repeatedly said that if the governor was willing they would work together to out common sense restrictions in place. The problem is the state legislature was completely ignored. There is a reason there is separation of powers. COVID isn’t something to ignore but let the government function and let the governor veto laws if she doesn’t like them that is how it is supposed to work.

I am in favor of more than one branch of government running my state. Unilateral powers aren’t good. Let’s work together and implement reasonable laws for our state. One persons rule is not how our country or state functions.

Nationwide daily deaths are down and have been under 1000 by a significant amount recently. Haven't seen any talk about that but there sure was a lot of complaining when it was hovering around or above 1000.

Similar things going on around here. the state run university on our county is responsible for most of the new cases. I wonder how many of them are requiring treatment beyond stay at home and wait it out? I guess this is a good thing that most of the cases aren't serious but is it cause for alarm? Maybe, especially if it spreads in the community. I haven't seen any statistics on college ages kids in Michigan and how many are in the hospital vs how many have COVID.

This is an interesting take on what is happening. https://reason.com/2020/09/11/the-covid-19-pandemic-keeps-proving-deadly-to-liberty/

I am not an anti-masker so don't go off on that but is this a case where correlation does not imply causation? Is it the natural cycle of ramp up peak and then go down or is it due to mask wearing? I don't know but you state this as fact. I'd be curious how much is attributable to each source.

Pretty tame over here. Peak wind gust at my house was 33MPH. Would have loved to see the higher numbers, but I can do without the loss of power so I guess I am glad that we missed it.

Sure is heading that way. Interesting to see if it continues or not.

With all of the unempolyment benefits talk on here yesterday I saw this earlier today. "the University of Chicago estimated that 68% of those receiving benefits were getting paid more than what they made before with the median payment 34% higher than their previous weekly paycheck". https://finance.yahoo.com/news/jobless-claims-week-ending-july-25-123150219.html

You could say the same for the states. Everyone is quick to blame the feds, but if they are so bad why don't the individual states go their own way and get it right? Take a little personal responsibility. It is always easier to blame someone else when things go wrong and take credit when they go right.

Is it treatment or demographics? I have no idea and curious if anyone has seen any data one way or the other.

Interesting that MI has ~12,000 fewer cases than TN, but MI has over 6x the number of deaths. Are the doctors that much better at treating this no vs. in the beginning or has something changed with the virus? Could be the specific population in each state that has the virus is much different also. Curious to see what accounts for that large of a difference in deaths.

A - We don't live in China. What sort of nanny state do you want? B - You cound make the opposite argument just as easy for staying at home.

Checking out of this thread. If you aren't for status quo and bow before the government, you aren't really welcome here other than the be told you are an idiot or your point doesn't matter. Every once in a while I see a glimmer of hope that maybe there can be more than one side of the debate only to see that dashed over the next 47 posts. Have a great day and I will see you when there is some weather to talk about.

Too many posts to quote over the last couple pages, but why is it the federal government's responsibility to make sure each state is looked after? What about each state's governor taking some heat for not being prepared instead of all 50 pointing to Washington? We have a central federal government, but each state is also managed by there own governmental system. Seems to me like this is the pot calling the kettle black blaming the President and Washington DC for failing when they could have seen to it that their own state was prepared instead of looking elsewhere for help. Much easier to blame someone else.

Which is why I referred to the OP in my post. @RobertSul either missed that or disregarded it.

There was a problem with yesterday's numbers so that is too low. It is * on the michigan.gov website. They had a problem with their computer program collecting and aggregating the data.

isolated? Per NHTSA drunk driving accounts for over 10,000 deaths a year. That isn't isolated. Not COVID19 levels, but tell those families drinking alcohol is ok and that death doesn't matter. Same reasoning as the OP.

I am not minimizing your point but as others have already said why not ban alcohol because of the drunk driving deaths? Why not drive 55 because it will save lives? Why not stop construction because of accidents on site that lead to death? Why not ban nearly all fatty/sugary/salty/cholesterol laden food? Why not ...? You can say this about every death that has some cause that is preventable by altering our actions? But would you want to live in that society? This is the current hot topic but we don't say this about every other thing in our society that causes a preventable death. Just offering a counter point to what you say. The deaths are horrible don't get me wrong and come back with a reply saying that.

https://www.christianpost.com/voices/suicide-hotline-sees-8000-increase-due-to-covid-19.html https://abc7.com/suicide-hotline-calls-coronavirus-covid19-los-angeles/6117099/ https://thehill.com/changing-america/well-being/mental-health/494170-how-does-the-coronavirus-pandemic-affect-suicide https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/coronavirus-pandemic-creates-suicide-risk-this-could-last-years/ar-BB13kSOE There are varying numbers in these articles but all showing a large increase.

Mental health and suicide hotlines are up over 900% since this started. Where is the balance between every life we can save from COVID-19 is worth the pain versus we don't care about the other lives being lost to suicide. Somewhere there has to be a balance where some freedom is ok to help with one end of the spectrum while not getting the other end completely out of whack. The media seems to be ignoring one class of death because it isn't COVID-19 and that is all that matters.

I agree but also think she might go a little farther. Don't think it will be anywhere near a free for all but I suspect there will be limited things open up such a landscaping, nurseries/greenhouses, workers who are solo or maybe teams but not large groups. Just my thoughts. I guess we will see in a little over a week.

What is up with all the name calling in here. Anyone who doesn't agree with the stay at home order is a moron, idiot, <insert derogatory name here>. We can disagree buy why all the name calling?