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16 minutes ago, Whineminster said:

80,000 people is the size of Fall River.....it's a LOT of people. 

Its nowhere near a million. Or 6 million. The argument is that a side effect that affects 6 in almost 7 million would have been picked up in a trial. That's not true.

Gardasil ran phase I, II, and II trials with full approval. The total in the trials was around 50,000 people. 

Zostavax ran about 80,000 total. Boostrix (dTAP booster) ran a total of 12,000.

Clinical trials do not run as many patients as people think. 

4 minutes ago, PhineasC said:

Then why not just test all drugs for six weeks and blast them out there? Why even have a full auth process at all?

I'm sure all the major side effects show up in the six week period. Just call it quits after that.

LOL. Now you're just ranting non sense. I've said that studies would be done for 2-3 years with several hundred thousand people and a 6 in 6.5 million effect probably wouldn't be picked up. That's why pharma have whole department that follow a drug through its life cycle. Its called pharmacovigilance.

5 minutes ago, BuffaloWeather said:

 The old style vaccines like J&J and Astra are the ones having the side effects it seems. 

I've told everyone here before. J&J and AZ vaccines aren't "old style". They are about as new as the mRNA type.

5 minutes ago, PhineasC said:

 

This is why vaccines are tested for years before full approval.

 

I'm not sure why  you persist with this argument. I've told you that an event this rare would most assuredly not been picked up. I do know a little about what I'm talking about . 

1 minute ago, dryslot said:

He's done, That knee is junk, He's not coming out of retirement and go to TB.........lol

Yes I get that. I wasn't serious. 

3 minutes ago, PhineasC said:

It would have probably only taken one person to get the blood clots while under observation to then give doctors more time to develop therapies to treat it. Tylenol has been around for decades and doctors understand how to treat issues that arise from it.

These types of side effects are, of course, unavoidable for a massive, rapid, worldwide vaccine rollout such as this, but the rushed nature of it for a disease that is usually very mild for everyone under 65 years old is going to exacerbate every little issue like this.

Some media and political figures have tried to assert that receiving this vaccine is as simple as using mouthwash in the morning and therefore there is "no excuse" for every healthy man, woman, and child to not run right out and get jabbed with the emergency use vaccine ASAP. I really hope there are no fertility or immune issues for people 5-10 years down the line...

We need to be focused on those most at risk first. Seems like we are running out of that demand pool, however.

Phin, you know I love ya dude. We're usually on the same page. Not this time.  And yes, we know ho to treat blood clots.

3 minutes ago, Whineminster said:

 

Honestly from what I've seen, the Pfizer one is by far and away the best one for efficacy, safety, and least side effects. 

Both RNA vaccines are pretty comparable. Moderna uses a touch higher RNA amounts. Probably why it has a little more after affects. I'm sure moderna and Pfiizer executives are off the walls this morning.

16 minutes ago, PhineasC said:

 

This is what happens when you sign up for a vaccine that was tested for six weeks and then rushed to market. 

That's not quite a fair statement.

I've been in drug development over 20 years. I can safely say that there's no drug trial in the world that's big enough to pick up a 6 in 6.5 million side effect. Even if a trial ran 3-4 years with several hundred thousand people, that probably wouldn't have been picked up. 

60 million people take Tylenol. On average, there are 50-60k people hospitalized and 500 deaths due to toxicity every year. Pick any drug approved drug on the market and you'll find some reaction. 

The FDA will put in back on the market within a week.

9 hours ago, MJO812 said:

 

Winter 2022

Ray had a thread for that.

16 minutes ago, HoarfrostHubb said:

This discussion is really solving a lot.  
 

Any way we can mix it up with another topic.  Any topic?

Should Meghan go to Phillips funeral?

Just now, Supernovice said:

He retired so I’m leaning- no.

So did gronk

11 minutes ago, HoarfrostHubb said:

This discussion is really solving a lot.  
 

Any way we can mix it up with another topic.  Any topic?

As Linda Richmond said: heres a topic.

So... is JE11 just biding his time so he can go down to Tampa and wash Brady’s grapes?

Discuss 

9 minutes ago, PhineasC said:

 

The cool part is even if they lift mask mandates, you guys can just keep wearing them and no one will care! That's pretty awesome, right? Personal choice is amazing.

Some people should get out beyond 495 more and see how others live and think 

25 minutes ago, MJO812 said:

I hate to break it to him, but a lot of people have been eating indoors since last June. Does this guy live under a rock?

5 minutes ago, HIPPYVALLEY said:

I doubt we see mask mandates and certain restrictions lifted anytime soon in a lot of places. 

Only in the usual suspect locations. 

17 minutes ago, weathafella said:

Don’t you think that gives a window into one of the reasons the USA has not done well with regard to spread.  Our workplace norms are often inhumane.

And some people who work in a hospital setting just get a blanket PTO. There's no differentiation between sock time and vacation time. Who wants to eat into vacation time to take a couple days of with a bad cold when they can go to work and tough it out and use that PTO in the summer.

That needs to end.

3 minutes ago, TauntonBlizzard2013 said:

 Basically; are the powers that be going to use the continued rise or spikes here and there because there isn’t enough vaccination to continue wit go lockdowns and mask mandates.

 

In one word:  YES

That why you folks who are in the "masks are done by summer" camp are in fantasy land.

2 minutes ago, WinterWolf said:

Are you for real?  Lmfao...holy smokes. 

I put my snow blower in the shed on Saturday. Maybe he's on to something.

Man, 'Rhea day here in Cambridge. 46 and drizzle. Yipee

Just now, DotRat_Wx said:

This and streaming is why I'm a big investor in Disney. The streaming numbers are huge and parks are really just a drop in the bucket. All around great stock. Covers stay at home and reopening. 

Does Disney actually move that much to make it a worthwhile investment?

Does it pay a dividend?

20 minutes ago, Lava Rock said:

all we need is eduggs and we're history

SHHHH

Stein in the rear view mirror.

Now this thread gets shut down again. The troll is back

I figured it was a matter of time. For the love of the weather gods, Ignore it and she'll go way!!

1 minute ago, weathafella said:

Better!  Enjoy summer

I’d like to go to Florida tomorrow and come back about Memorial Day.