high risk

2 hours ago, WxUSAF said:

Always need to be cautious of BDCFs in early spring. But guidance seems consistent keeping us in the warm sector. Torchy torch starting next Thursday afternoon. 

      Beware that there are hints in the guidance, mainly in the ECMWF and its AI version, of some back door cold front action during that period.

Looking over recent guidance, while the chances of a significant snow here appear to be waning, even if the Monday snow stays to our south (not entirely certain), there is some growing consensus that a modest slug of moisture will approach from the southwest late Monday night.   While temperatures will be warming during Tuesday, it appears likely at this time that it will be well below freezing for the Tuesday morning rush hour, so a fairly high-impact event (even if amounts of snow or freezing rain are modest) is still on the table.

Verbatim, the GFS would be a messy Tuesday morning.   Even as temps slowly rise, we will have had a long preceding period of temperatures below freezing.

1 hour ago, MillvilleWx said:

Overall, it was a great job by the GFS, but as is always the case, the result is usually a blend of models and not just one individual deterministic. The NBM QPF was skewed by some overly zealous members, mainly some CAMs that will actually not be there for the next version of the NBM (NBM5.0). We are working with MDL (Model Diagnostics Lab) to generate these analyses to improve upon what we have and go forward. Overall forecast ended up being amazing for the high impacted areas and average at best for those on the edges. With a storm like this, every mile can make a big difference in appreciable impacts. 

       Great post, but you really need to check what MDL stands for.   

5 minutes ago, MillvilleWx said:

11 minutes ago, osfan24 said:

Unless you bought the NAM run with almost half a foot on the ground by 4 pm. Im out here shoveling puddles.

I never buy the NAM for any reason. NAMNest thermals and sometimes the QPF, but otherwise, the 12km parent I ignore almost exclusively. 

           The other problem is that the "total snowfall" maps are NOT predictions of what the NAM thinks will be on the ground.      When the model's hydrometeors are not liquid (i.e. snow or sleet) as they reach the surface, the amount of liquid goes into a water equivalent bucket.  That is what these sites grab and then apply either a 10:1 or Kuchera ratio.    What the model thinks will be on the ground is the snow depth product.   Unfortunately, that tends to run low in events like these we we've had a warm couple of days prior to the onset.

Certainly looks like the GFS has lost the idea of heavy snow during the midday hours Sunday. 

I love the usage of the snow depth field, but two flaws of that product are that it tends to be too low when 1) it gets warm before an event   2) rates are legit

1 hour ago, WxMan1 said:

Sorry if already posted, but I heard from a coworker that the new parallel version of the GFS (v17) didn't even have a low last night! Are we gonna go from one extreme to another with this model?

          That's not true.   The 06Z para GFS did have a low, but it was notably offshore and quickly trucked out to sea.   The same is true for the 12Z cycle - it looks nothing like the ops GFS.    And apologies for not being able to share graphics.

1 hour ago, bncho said:

This is due to the change of cores, no?

          No.   Still FV3-based.

49 minutes ago, Terpeast said:

I don't know why it's verifying worse than other models. Maybe related to budget constraints, they're focusing on AI (as we can see with the new AI gfs and its ensembles, and the hybrid) instead of improving the operational model itself like ECMWF is doing with both.

Huge upgrade to the “regular” GFS coming later this year. 

Very concerned that if much of the snow falls during the daylight hours Sunday, it will really struggle to accumulate in very marginal low-level temperatures.   Rates will be critical to our chances of a measurable snowfall.

Most of the 12Z mesoscale guidance today showed that the organized snow would have a really tough time making it into the DC Metro area, and that seems to be playing out.

10 minutes ago, WxUSAF said:

Think we can get the snow band to hang on over the mountains with it? Euro and NAM have hinted at it…

     Maybe?    I haven't looked at the mechanics of why this band is way out ahead of the actual arctic boundary.    Another possibility is a few scattered bursts of snow right on the late night front....

Looks like roughly 3AM(west)-5AM(east) timing for the passage of the arctic front.      

32 minutes ago, ThePhotoGuy said:

Single digits forecast but so far haven't hit it yet this year. Will this break the streak? Probably not. 

     I understand the skepticism, but those forecasts were relying on intense radiational cooling late at night, and clouds/wind seemed to wreck those opportunities.   This will be pure advection of an intensely cold air mass, and it's legit arctic air.   I think this has a much better chance (and I'd say it's very likely) of single digits.

46 minutes ago, MN Transplant said:

We are going to ruin a top-tier cold day on Saturday with a midnight high.  

   Indeed.    Looks like mid 20s at midnight.   In fact, it stays in the mid 20s through around 4am, and we then drop at least 20 degrees in the 4-5 hours following.

33 minutes ago, North Balti Zen said:

Ucinelli - I'd rather be in Bismarck...

      I gave 1/2 of a laughing emoji for the concept of this comment and 1/2 for the utter butchery of Louis' name

4 minutes ago, MillvilleWx said:

HRRR is best when it's inside 8 hrs, but can more useful up to 12 hrs if it is assimilating the data correctly. It has its struggles with certain setups and is best within convective environments or well-established thermal environments. Winter is not its strong suit, but can be useful at times. Right now, regional CAMs are better at handling this type of setup. Best ascent has been modeled south through the day, but some very light precip is still plausible north of I-66,  but not looking likely at this point. 

       VERY well stated.   The HRRR is generally pretty good with warm season convection (minus some flaws and the inherent challenges with modeling weakly-forced storms) but has never proven itself as a winter weather model.

Saturday looks brutal, with temps in the mid to upper teens and sustained winds in the 20-30mph with higher gusts.

2 minutes ago, Maestrobjwa said:

Just enough to make the commute messy? Haha

          With how cold surfaces have been, even a half inch of snow at night would likely cause problems on some of the roads, with the ungodly amount of leftover salt possibly saving us from a complete mess.    School systems will have a complicated decision.

16 minutes ago, bncho said:

AI-GFS south again,

 

     Was not a total miss.   It had a very modest amount of snow about 24 hours earlier than the map you showed, with some sort of lead wave.

15 minutes ago, T. August said:

It precipitates for like 48 hours with no panel getting over .1” lol. Yeah technically it is indeed half an inch of liquid.

       AI models don't do particularly well with QPF.    They get a general shape of the field but struggle to resolve amounts and detail.    I'd focus far more on 500 heights and SLP.

3 minutes ago, SomeguyfromTakomaPark said:

Is it just me or is this product virtually useless?  Every time it gets posted in here it's like a crucial step behind the good models.

             The mean has very limited value at this range, because a few snowy ensemble members can skew it.    The probabilistic output is far more useful, but I'm not sure how easy it is to find that on the web.

I'm looking forward to those 4 hours above freezing on Tuesday!    

13 minutes ago, Amped said:

Hugging the nbm 

 

          This is exhibit A for the problem with using mean values from a large ensemble.    There are a handful of GEFS and ECMWFE members with huge snowfall totals, so the mean value ends up as a couple of inches.   But the 50th percentile map shows 0 for our area, and the chance of 1" of snow at KDCA is under 30%.