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I can't believe people are still getting their news from social media. Or really.... media.

Not surprising since they make up close to 50% of hospitalizations.... its scary for that age group. I would have guessed 1-2% hospitalization rate overall so definitely fits my bias of underestimating it.

Man I JUST posted something that took me a while to dig for and find numbers... this would have been a lot easier lol. At least they match up.

Ok so had to do a little digging for this and just use dates that I could find matching hospitalizations and total case numbers for. As of November 18, there had been 906,849 Covid hospitalizations in the U.S. compared to a confirmed 11.5 million cases for a hospitalization rate of 7.8%. However, dozens of studies suggest an undercount of 3-4x total cases at this time, which would support an overall hospitalization rate of 2.6% to 1.9%. I'd like to be able to break that down by age but am having a hard time finding the raw data.

I believe the number I pulled was overall. Probably not the best to use. It’s still hard to believe that much of the left is that uninformed. I guess even though we all don’t agree in here we are part of our own echo chamber that is (primarily) using data to debate points. But, maybe this helps highlight why I get so frustrated with the messaging surrounding covid and some of the messaging in this thread that insists on worst case scenario outcomes.

That is the number I saw, it was a quick search. Agreed it’s not the best number to use. Any clue what the overall actually is for confirmed cases?

That really is an unbelievable stat. That’s a sickening overestimation and so incredibly misinformed. The highest hospitalization rate I could find is .86 percent for 85+.... so I think I’m going to go out on a limb and say there’s not a whole lot of room for error on the downside.

Lol ETA: You and a couple other people attaching personal narratives to everything is what starts these huge derailments in this thread.

I don’t think it’s a magic bullet but I think for a lot of people it reduces the chances of severe covid to an “acceptable” risk level (flu like risk level for young/healthy/no pre existing health conditions).

Like what? What countries are closer? Come on man... the "data" isn't being hotly disputed, just the interpretations of that data. Data is hard facts.

Happy medium is maybe not discussing scientific hypotheticals as part of your messaging to the general public?

Better throw the 2/335,000,000 people in there who would die from the vaccine just to make sure all your bases are covered in here

Why do you act like its a bad thing for people to be in a hurry to get their lives back to normal? The flip side of that is why are you so intent on NOT getting everyone's lives back to normal as quickly as possible? I am going to go out on a limb and say your response includes something along the lines of "I actually care about other people an nobody else does".

Business is boomin. And answer is probably whenever the US government stops paying for it.

When was the data for this? Some of the stuff shared the other day showed almost 50% already have at least one shot and increasing quickly.... and the number of people who would refuse a shot is probably shrinking as well.

I am sure you're right, people know being overweight increases their risk for mortality from every other leading cause of death (heart disease, cancer, diabetes) and that doesn't slow many down.

We are a year in and half the country still doesn't have the vaccine, enough time for most people to make a dramatic improvement in their health.

What’s the IFR like over there?

I agree that it definitely makes sense for international travel

Overblown for sure but still at its best a bad look.

The people who are mad about pulling the vaccine are not the people who I thought would be mad about pulling the vaccine

I agree with all of this man. The point of my post was to say there’s things we could have been doing like this the whole time. It’s like places cancelling fall football last spring and then people proved you could play football by testing people before games. What’re the bills gonna do if Covid cases have dropped to background noise in the fall? Still require this rule because the decided to make a stand six months ahead of time?

I think a lot of frustrations with restrictions are because they are blanketed like this. There’s no “common sense” reason to not allow covid negative people in the stadium with a negative test. Could have made people start doing that a long time ago and still had some events going on.

Yeah that’s definitely getting into legal stuff above my head. You’d think if they could require a vaccine for entry to the stadium, they could apply that to players? ETA: Could the bills sue the county for revenue they lose as well?

I think that’s his point