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Well in that line of thought, we might never have a vaccine as they could never find one for the common cold, or maybe its just not important because the common cold is rarely deadly.

Just guessing, but modifying an existing flu vaccine must be easier than creating an entirely new vaccine from scratch. They also probably have all the infrastructure and knowledge in place as they have been making influenza vaccines for decades.

If there is one place I would feel is marginally safe it would be a beach. Between the high temps, high humidity, oppressive UV, and salt water it is the quintessential virus killer. There is no better combination of natural virus killers packaged neatly in one place. It's also very windy which quickly disperses any viral loads high enough to infect others. I think this is one reason we never saw much of an impact from the Spring Breakers who stormed the beaches in huge numbers last month.

Do you think Trump should be encouraging people to take arms and rebel against their state government? Do you think encouraging states into Civil war is a good idea? The year is 2020, stop saying the word Obama.

So you think trump should be tweeting things like that. Two wrongs make a right? Got it.

The 96-01 drop was the dot com bubble bursting.

What in the world is going on? Is he calling people to arms. Pretty reckless.

This graph just bums me out though. There was a really nice Trend going into 2016. How do you take a supposed red hot economy and turn into massive losses year after year? National Deficit in Billions of Dollars (I purposely found a super simple low tech graph so there is no political caption or spin.)

Obama’s policies were working pretty well and then trump came along and undid it all with massive tax cuts at a time when we were finally bringing down the deficit. Tax cuts during a fairly strong economic period is just plain stupid. It was a massive mistake and will have grave consequences over the next decade. The deficit was exploding (post tax cuts) before this pandemic, I have to imagine we will see a single year deficit of nearly 2-3 trillion dollars in 2021. Certainly not surprised with one of the worst businessman in history at the helm.

As a germaphobe, it just seems like a great way to open oneself up to another vector for catching this stupid virus. So that weights into my decision to forego takeout. Plus, I rarely feel like I can get a meal at restaurant that is better than what I can cook at home. Oh well, I'm glad some of you are keeping these places afloat, god knows they need all the help they can get.

I havent eaten food not prepared at home since March 7th (and they were lousy wings; what a crappy last meal). Its crazy. I feel bad for the local places but I didnt eat there much before this all happened so I'm not about to change now.

Sadly this is very true. Science programs and the national labs are the first to get knocked around when the purse strings get tightened. The average person does not understand the value of our science programs and science in general (whether its private of federal). It's frustrating. We are already getting emails about no raises this year, large projects being canceled, increased scrutiny on general spending. Very dark days ahead. The reality is starting to sink in. My goal is to save money every single month from now until 2021. At least being on lockdown makes that easier than usual with no concerts, bars, softball games, sporting events.

I had read your first number as 194000, instead of 19,400, so i couldnt figure out what that could be. My bad, carry on.

Is this new cases? I’m confused there are currently 668,000 cases in the US

That is all true. But Trump is just way to “buddy buddy” with a piece of shit commie dictator. It’s really not a good look.

We wouldnt be bickering if Trump or even one Republican would act like they care or chastise Russia instead of taking their side. Trump ****ing loves Putin and it's a disgrace You blatantly acknowledge it happened, thats all I ask of them at least. Just own up to it. It's the denial that is maddening to us libs.

He said large gatherings, like baseball games and concerts with 10,000-50,000+ people. They will advise you to not gather in large groups if possible at home, but it will just be a recommendation. Things will be weird, it will probably be advisable to know who in your group is vulnerable, who has gotten it and who hasnt, who is feeling sickly, who just has allergies, etc. Weird times ahead. We need to get our immunity cards!

I don't see any problem with how this went down. NY had and still has the highest amount of cases and deaths. We needed to be ready in case the curve didnt flatten. Now that things have more or less stabilized they are being redistributed. He isn't keeping them unnecessarily, other states didn't need them during this time so no one was deprived, it all worked out perfect. Hard to find fault in a what appears to be a well executed; better safe than sorry plan. Now if he had done all that screeching for ventilators and 6 people died, there would be an issue. The death toll in NYC is insane when you think about it.

Its an interesting conversation. A virus ideally wants to be infectious but not all out deadly. Dead people don't spread viruses so when something becomes too deadly it naturally fades away. A happy medium of making someone quite sick and infectious while not outright killing them is the happy medium a virus naturally mutates towards.

Things usually don't mutate in that way. Survival of the fittest would mean that the poorly transmitted mutation disappears while the highly transmitted version continues on.

Sadly they will likely be drafting players we won’t see suit up until fall 2021. Maybe sports will find a way to play without stadium attendance by then; but then the teams will lose a huge chunk of revenue so that probably isn’t viable either.

As our society grows more fragile and values every single life at a higher and higher level, "pandemics" (or any illness than instills panic and fear) might occur on a much higher frequency. I agree it seems ludicrous to maintain such an inventory, but I bet that 5 percent of the annual military budget could support an entire system with almost full yearly replacement indefinitely. Seems like a lot of bang for your buck. Your last sentence is important, many many people have surmised and envisioned this exact scenario. We really should have done better. This entire thing was mismanaged world wide nearly every step of the way.

I'm sitting here in awe of these markets. As you stated, the earnings reports coming in the next quarter or two are going to make peoples heads spin. The market is going to implode so hard in the coming 6-12 months. Hang on tight.

And the other thing we need is medical overhead. The only reason this disease has paralyzed us is because our medical system is just barely able to function during nominal levels of need. It sounds outrageous, but we need large facilities that are "moth-balled" but always ready to be sprung into action in the event of a pandemic. We a million ventilators (at a minimum) stored in a giant repository along with all the other PPE, this must be staffed and maintained perpetually. We need the ability to quickly convert the medical system into a temporary setup that doubles its capacity. I understand that is a wildly complicated, but the alternative is the entire collapse of modern society. Our hospital system can't be at capacity all the time, and it can't be for profit.

Testing Testing Testing. If we could magically test every American over the next 3-4 weeks and actually quantify the real levels of infection and exposure we could make informed decisions. We need both regular testing for the active virus and antibody testing. We need a system ( a COVID card, if you will) where we know who is vulnerable and who is relatively immune or safe and we give the safe people a pass/app/card that gets them access to specific locations. We need to shelter the ones at high risk and get the rest of back out there. We just need testing, massive incredible testing. Without it, its all speculation and fear.