Stebo

The messaging gets muddled because people hear what they want and only get attached to that regardless of facts and science. Which is why this below is true... You have a President who is literally contagious taking his mask off after getting off of Marine One. You are never going to get people to believe masks are important when you have that shit happening.

He is back at the White House and while standing on the Truman Balcony took his mask off, this is a man knowingly contagious with a dangerous virus and he just doesn't give a ****. I'm sorry if this upsets people but this is absolutely ridiculous, he was literally rushed to a hospital 3 days ago.

It is far worse, "don't be afraid of covid, don't let it dominate your life"? those are some incredibly dangerous and ignorant words from a guy who spend 3 days in a hospital with many doctors overlooking him.

We are at 210k adding roughly 500-750 deaths a day currently with cases starting to spike up so lets say by mid November we are around 1000 deaths daily again. Thats 45k deaths til end of year from mid November plus whatever happens in the next 40 days, at least 20k. That takes us to an estimated 275k deaths by then, 300k isn't that far fetched once you map it out.

The risking of SS is just sad, these people would give their lives for the president and they are needlessly being endangered.

What nastiness? and Hoosier has actually been pretty fair in that thread so saying he is biased is quite amusing. You can ask him yourself, but he knows I'm not his number 1 fan but in this case the job has been done fairly to keep most politics out of that thread. Lets be honest here though, no one is forcing people to read that thread. It is an important piece of history ongoing right now as well and unlike other subforums that thread has been kept civilized for the most part.

Exactly, and there are over 200k people dead, I can completely understand it.

You are arguing with a guy who has an avatar of "Defund the Media". Probably a waste of time.

It is done completely on purpose because Trump is worse than they want to lead on which is why the timeline aspect is important too.

When they telegraph their move over and over and over, I don't need to take a chance on incompetence.

Stick to South Carolina let those of us worry about up here.

They have a supermajority, they can override her veto so basically this is just shifting from the governor to a bunch of the same voice shouting the exact opposite. It is wholly political and ignorant along with flying in the face of the majority of this state that approves of the governor's actions.

The current congress made it very apparent they don't want to work with the governor, it is unilateral power through the state congress then going in the other direction. Let me ask those who are in favor of this, do you actually want everything open like Florida and all these other states where COVID has exploded for months now? Mind you most everything is open here with restrictions such as mask wearing.

Incredibly risky and to me a sign that he is much worse than they are leading on.

You aren't worth engaging at this point because of your lack of common sense on this subject. This isn't about stealing anything it is about keeping people safe, WI did the same thing MI did a month ago and they are the 3rd worst state right now in new cases. I want to make sure that people here are safe and this is the exact opposite. You know exactly why executive orders are needed here, because if it was left up to this state congress we'd have everything open and people coughing on you shoulder to shoulder. You have made it very apparent in your posts here that this isn't a big deal and that you care more about money than safety, a large majority in this state care about safety over money.

57% of people in this state approve of Whitmer's job that she has done, it is obvious the decision bucks the approval of this state but again who do they represent.

Good so they are working from home, no issue there if they are an office building.

Ohio literally was doing most of the same things, you really are very misinformed here. And as for your corporate office, nearly everything is open here unless your corporate office is a movie theater, it should be open.

You are right, but no one party should have ultimate power neither that is how stagnation and a disconnect to the populous exists. Remember the state senate has been red since 1984, before I was even born.

Right down the lines politically, right as things are spiking up too. Not to be political but they have no shame of stripping powers from her knowing what the state congress wants to do, which is turn this state into Florida in terms of openness. It is asinine and dangerous, it also flies in the face of the opinion of those in this state as 57% of the people in this state approve of the job Whitmer has done. Who are these people representing, it certainly isn't the people of this state.

At what point is it gross negligence I'd hate to say they deserve it but in light of all the people who are sick and they still come back with this, it is hard not to think they deserve it when they are this ignorant.

Yeah you are thinking the reverse of me of how he got it, but can you imagine how much it has spread?

Knowing that Hicks was sick for over a day and all of them still went on like nothing was happening. This is how you create a superspreader event.

"It is what it is"

The difference being those are viruses we have known treatments and in some cases vaccines for. That matters wholly to this discussion.