uncle W

it would still be the biggest December storm since 2010...I'll take it...

good thing it won't be wet snow up there...March 2018 was very bad up by Milford PA and NW Jersey...

6" or greater snowstorms in NYC in December... amount...dates...... 26.4" 12/26-27/1947 20.0" 12/26-27/2010 18.0" 12/26/1872 16.0" 12/19-20/1948 15.2" 12/11-12/1960 14.0" 12/5-7/2003 13.7" 12/21-22/1959 12.7" 12/15/1916 12.0" 12/30/2000 11.4" 12/24/1912 11.2" 12/26/1933 10.9" 12/19-20/2009 9.1" 12/13-14/1917 8.3" 12/19-20/1945 8.1" 12/5/1886 8.0" 12/3-4/1957 8.0" 12/25-26/1909 7.9" 12/5/1926 7.7" 12/19-20/1995 7.5" 12/23-24/1883 7.2" 12/27-28/1990 7.1" 12/24-25/1966 7.0" 12/26/1890 7.0" 12/15-16/1896 7.0" 12/12-13/1904 7.0" 12/3-4/1911 6.8" 12/25-27/1969 6.6" 12/23-24/1963 6.5" 12/25/1902 6.2" 12/12-14/1902 6.2" 12/23-24/1961 6.0" 12/27-28/1873 6.0" 12/22-23/1896 6.0" 12/17-18/1904 6.0" 12/5/2002

some wet flakes mixed in now...38 degrees...

had some wet flakes mixed in around 9am near the Staten Island mall...just rain now and 40...

has not happened since 1995...some other years...1960...1963...1966...1970-1980 had consecutive days with two events...I forgot 2013 and 2008...first signs of senility...

this week reminds me of the week of Dec 20th-25th 1966...on the 20th there was some wet snow and rain which ended as an inch of snow on the 21st...A snowstorm on the 24th-25th put down 7"...when going into this winter I thought it was toast without a negative ao and nao at times similar to the 1973-74 winter...I'm hoping this period of negative ao lasts the rest of the month..

1932-33 was a very mild winter especially in January...it did get a 7" storm on the 17th but very little after that until February...February had a 10" storm...seasonal snowfall was near average... the 1932 storm from the Brooklyn Eagle... http://bklyn.newspapers.com/image/59970904/ http://bklyn.newspapers.com/image/59970913 http://bklyn.newspapers.com/image/59971128/ http://bklyn.newspapers.com/image/59971138

NYC 12/16 ..snowfall...................max depth... .....7.0" in 1896..........10" in 1960 .....1.7" in 1973............9" in 1916 .....1.0" in 2008............8" in 1917 .....0.7" in 1925............7" in 1896 .....0.6" in 1950............6" in 1904 Philadelphia 12/16 ....snowfall...... .....7.1" in 1896 .....3.5" in 1973 .....2.0" in 1981 ................................................................................ NYC 12/17 ....snowfall.....est. max snow depth... ....6.7" in 1932..........9" in 1904 ....3.0" in 1904..........8" in 1960 ....2.8" in 2016..........8" in 1917 ....1.8" in 1919..........7" in 1916 ....1.5" in 2013 .........7" in 1932 Philadelphia 12/17 ...snowfall...... .....7.3" in 1932 .....2.5" in 1904 .....1.3" in 1901

for the record 2003 was 5.8" in Central Park...

I get a 30" seasonal average snowfall when rounding out the months totals...without the rounding numbers the total would be 29.9"... decade.......................Oct.....Nov.....Dec.....Jan.....Feb.....Mar.....Apr.....total 1870-71 to 1879-80......0.1.....0.9.....6.7......9.7......8.8.....4.1......1.6.....31.9 1880-81 to 1889-90........0......1.8.....7.1......8.8......7.6.....6.8......0.7.....32.8 1890-91 to 1899-00........0......3.3.....4.3......8.7....10.6.....7.1......0.8.....34.8 1900-01 to 1909-10........0......0.3.....6.2......9.1......9.2.....4.8......0.6.....30.2 1910-11 to 1919-20........0......0.2.....7.5......4.8......9.5.....8.3......2.3.....32.6 1920-21 to 1929-30......0.1.....0.1.....4.2......8.5....10.1.....2.2......0.9.....26.1 1930-31 to 1939-40........T......2.2.....4.3......6.4......8.5.....3.5......0.8.....25.7 1940-41 to 1949-50........T......0.6.....9.1......7.4......8.6.....4.8......1.1.....31.6 1950-51 to 1959-60......0.1.....0.5.....4.7......5.2......3.4.....8.0......0.8.....22.7 1960-61 to 1969-70........T......0.3.....7.4......7.7....10.6.....4.6......0.1.....30.7 1970-71 to 1979-80........T......0.3.....1.7......7.3......9.5.....2.4......0.1.....21.3 1980-81 to 1989-90........0......0.6.....2.1......7.8......5.3.....2.9......1.1.....19.8 1990-91 to 1999-00........0......0.3.....2.9......6.9......9.1.....5.4......0.2.....24.8 2000-01 to 2009-10........T........T......7.8......6.5....13.3.....3.5......0.4.....31.5 2010-11 to 2019-20......0.3.....1.1.....4.4....12.9......8.1.....6.0......0.6..…33.4 1870-71 to 2009-10........T......0.8.....5.4......7.5......8.9.....4.9......0.8.....28.3 1990-91 to 2019-20......0.1.....0.5.....5.0......8.8....10.2.....5.0......0.4.....30.0

its lame and confusing...years from now they will have to use the same names like they do with tropical storms...unless its historic they use the name again...

when using the lame TWC winter storm names can you please add in the date of the storm because some of us don't know it or if you're like me and despise the names...

winters with at least one 4" or more snowstorm in December for NYC...15 of 21 winters had 30" or more...only one was below 24"... winter....Dec 4" snows....seasonal snow... 2017-18.......4.6"....................40.9"... 2013-14.......5.0"....................57.4"... 2010-11.....20.0".....................61.9"... 2009-10.....10.9"....................51.4"... 2008-09.......4.0"....................27.6"... 2005-06.......5.8"....................40.0"... 2003-04.....14.0"....................42.6"... 2002-03.......6.0" 5.0"............49.3"... 2000-01......12.0"....................35.0"... 1995-96.......7.7"....................75.6"... 1993-94.......4.0"...................53.4"... 1990-91........7.2"....................24.9"... 1984-85.......4.8"....................24.1"... 1969-70.......6.8"....................25.6"... 1968-69.......5.2"....................30.2"... 1966-67........7.1".....................51.5"... 1963-64.......6.3"....................44.7"... 1961-62.......6.2"....................18.1"... 1960-61.....15.2"....................54.7"... 1959-60.....13.7"....................39.2"... 1957-58.......7.5"....................44.7"...

all we need for this to happen is a below zero arctic airmass before the storm...

take these clown maps and cut the amounts in half and it is still a nice mid December storm...as far as a white Christmas goes we would need a week long cold snap after the storm or another storm the following week...

O.J. went over 2000 yards too...

Dec 16-17 is the anniversary of the great ice storm in 1973...another analog mentioned this year...

the years with a good stretch of snow cover for Newark in December starting with 1945.. 1945 had snow on the ground from the 14th to the 25th...10" at some point on the 19th...Christmas morning came in with 4" on the ground...That was gone by the next morning from a rain storm.. 1947 had snow on the ground from the 23rd and beyond...1" on the ground Christmas morning...26" storm on the 26th...est. 26" on the 26th on the ground ... 1948 had snow on the ground from the 19th to the 30th...13" on the ground on the 19th...heavy rain ended that streak... 1951 had snow on the ground from the 14th-19th... 1957 had snow on the ground from the 3rd-7th and again from the 11th-14th...est 12" on the 4th... 1958 had a little on the ground from the 8th-15th... 1959 had snow on the ground from the 21st to 27th...3" was on the ground Christmas morning... 1960 had snow on the ground from the 11th-31st...20" on the ground on the 12th...2" on the ground Christmas morning... 1961 had snow on the ground from the 23rd to 31st...est, 10" on the ground on the 24th...8" was on the ground Christmas morning... 1962 had snow on the ground from the 21st to the 26th...2" on the ground Christmas morning... 1963 had snow on the ground from the 12th-16th and the 18th-31st...5" was on the ground Christmas morning...The 5th straight year with at least 2" of snow on the ground Christmas morning... the 23rd had at least 2" on the ground from 1959 to 1964...six straight years... 1966 had snow on the ground from the 21st to 31st...8" on the ground Christmas morning... 1969 from the 25th-31st...maybe a trace in spots Christmas morning... 1970 from the 22nd to the 28th...1" was on the ground Christmas morning... 1976 had snow on the ground from Christmas night to the 31st... 1980 had an inch on the ground from the 23rd-28th... 1995 had snow on the ground from the 19th-31st...4" was on the ground Christmas morning... 2002 had snow on the ground from the 5th-11th...a trace on the ground Christmas morning to 4" Christmas night... 2003 had snow on the ground from the 5th to the 10th...est 16" on the ground on the 6th...heavy rain ended that streak... 2005 from the 9th-15th... 2008 from the 19th-24th...brown Christmas... 2009 from the 19th-26th...4" on the ground Christmas morning... 2010 from the 26th-31st...est 24" on the 27th... 2013 from the 14th-20th...

NYC averaged 22.2 in Dec 1831......-2.7 lower than the lowest December in Central Park...Average came from Fort Columbus on Governors Island NY...I found a daily record from Erasmus Hall in Brooklyn NY...Highs and lows are the morning observation and afternoon observation...Highs and lows could be a little higher or lower each day... day max...min...snow...depth... 01... 32.....23.....T.......1" 02... 32.....23.....0.......1" 03... 26.....22.....0.......1" 04... 30.....20.....2"......3" 05... 25.....14.....0.......3" 06... 25.....15.....0.......3" 07... 26.....14.....0.......3" 08... 28.....20.....0.......3" 09... 32.....24.....0.......3" 10... 30.....20.....0.......2" 11... 35.....20.....0.......1" 12... 27.....18.....0.......1" 13... 25.....16.....0.......1" 14... 23.....17.....1"......2" 15... 21.....13.....2"......4" 16... 25.....11.....0.......4" 17... 26.....11.....T.......4" 18... 17.......9.....0.......4" 19... 26.....18.....0.......4" 20... 26.....18.....0.......4" 21... 38.....24.....0.......2" 22... 24.....10.....0.......2" 23... 24.......8.....0.......2" 24... 38.....26.....2"......2" might have started as rain... 25... 34.....26.....1"......2" White Christmas... 26... 30.....20.....1"......3" 27... 25.....18.....0.......3" 28... 29.....21...10"....13" 29... 33.....24.....0.....13" 30... 24.....13.....0.....13" 31... 32.....18.....2"....13" http://www.glenallenweather.com/ex9/Very%20Cold%20Periods%20in%20the%20Eastern%20US.pdf

1883 has the best week leading up to Christmas in NYC since 1869... 1883.....max...min...LE.....snow...depth mid night... 12/19.....37......23...0.60"...5.0"....5" 12/20.....24......21......0...…..0......5" 12/21.....29......21...0.35"...2.5"....7" 12/22.....25......10......0...…..0......7" 12/23.....10...….-1...0.01"...0.3"....7" 12/24.....31...…..7...0.80"...7.3"....14" 12/25.....31......28...0.38"...5.0"....18"

most of the years with a very negative ao/nao in December had above average snowfall in NYC or a white Christmas...years like 2010...2009...2000...1995...1966...1963...1961...

NYC's greatest winters since 1957......1957-58...1960-61...1963-64...1966-67...four in ten years... the next great winter was 1977-78...one in 26 years until 1993-94 ...1995-96 was the greatest...next was 2002-03..three in ten years....2009-10 and 2010-11...2013-14...2014-15...four in six years...there are many good to very good winters not mentioned...between my 18th birthday and my 44th there was only one great winter...many of those years were painfull if you wanted snow...

light wet snow still falling...

you mean like 35" in 1917-18...3.8" in 1918-19 and then 50" in 1919-20?...