Winterweatherlover

1 hour ago, winterwx21 said:

So often chilly weather hangs on in late March, so I'm glad it appears that won't be the case this year. After the brief cooldown this weekend, it looks as if we're gonna see a pretty long period of near 60 degree weather starting tuesday next week. That's great timing for starting the garden with the cool season vegetables. 

Weren’t the long medium range models showing snow threats next week? Now 60s? What a joke these models are. 

1 hour ago, jm1220 said:

Climo says I should have 35”. I have 8.5 and that’s about the highest in NYC/LI/I-95 corridor in NJ. NYC has 2.3” which is less than 10% of climo, etc. This was just an awful Nina-coupled winter which favors places that “should” be snowier and totally screws people that “should” be less snowy but still typically get 1-2 big and several smaller events per winter. It’s skewed from the bonanza seasons in the last 10-15 winters but getting almost nothing is definitely not climo. 

I meant climo in terms of how it was distributed, NW to SE differences if that makes sense? Not saying everyone got anywhere near climo amount of snow. 

22 minutes ago, Stormlover74 said:

The whole winter was like a normal December where the coast struggles and interior cashes in but eventually the coast and 95 corridor will get theirs. This year that never happened of course 

It makes sense because most of the snow in the interior came in December and March. If the March and December patterns had been January and February it might have been less pathetic…

1 hour ago, MANDA said:

Attached maps say nothing to percentage of normal just snow totals from October 1 to March 15.  We're likely done for this sub forum but up north could still catch something.  For NJ it was along/north of Rt. 80 and West of 287 snow season.  Amounts fell sharply once south of Rt. 78. on southward.  Sitting at 20.4 for the season here which is about 1-2" less than map shows.

This winter was about as climo as you can get. Bad for most south of I90 but horrifically bad I95 and SE.

The I84 corridor def cashed in big time in March and looks like got close to average.

17 hours ago, LibertyBell said:

it would be fine if all storms were like January 1996 or PD2.

Now that would be Utopia.

Yes then it would just be hammers all zones. Unfortunately haven’t had one of those that I can remember in a while. 

18 minutes ago, the_other_guy said:

Thruway elevation is pretty low there vs land just to west, so it makes sense.

Still remarkable though! Elevation based storm to a T

Depends where. There were some lower elevations east side of Hudson River that got like a foot I think. 

3 hours ago, The 4 Seasons said:

ill add that and fix lower weschester, i didn't have any reports from there so just based the contour on the surrounding reports from rockland and fairfield counties but i can move it up a bit. 

Yea I’m basing it on actual observation. I live on border of Bronx/Westchester and drove between here and I287 there was nothing. I’m sure it’s possible somewhere got a trace but definitely not a few inches. 

9 hours ago, The 4 Seasons said:

Tri-state snowfall totals from the storm

Not to nitpick but questioning some of these numbers. Did Queens actually see 0.1?  I haven’t heard anyone in the city say anything accumulated. Also the Bronx and lower Westchester absolutely did not get 1-2 inches.

3 minutes ago, MJO812 said:

Boring times ahead

 

Winter is over

It started? It’s been pretty boring since February 2022 (referring to NYC and coast). 

1 hour ago, forkyfork said:

nobody outside of this zone matters

Maybe that can be zone 1 as a starting point? 

1 hour ago, CPcantmeasuresnow said:

You know the big problem this would solve, the constant references like "oh boy just saw the Euro we're done".

And I always think who's done? It's a big forum, is Suffolk done Nassau, the Jersey coast, SW CT, Orange Sussex and Putnam, NYC? I dream of a world where we can declare the GFS says we're done for zones 1 & 2, but 5 & 6 get buried.  Rgem just annihilated zones 3 & 4, 5 & 6 not so much. That is my Utopia, a man can dream can't he?

Exactly this would actually be so helpful. 

2 hours ago, jm1220 said:

I could go on forever about the different LI climate zones by themselves and what’s favored here vs NYC but I digress lol. 

I acknowledge could have broken it down way more in depth than I did but then we’d have like 10+ different micro climates. I mean literally there’s a bit of a climo shift everytime you go about 5-10 miles further from the ocean and/or a few  hundred feet higher in elevation. 

3 minutes ago, North and West said:

Further west than most of Bergen; the climate is similar to Mahwah.


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Yea I’d assume similar to other places along 287 corridor. I’d probably lump in it with the 4th zone on my list. 

22 minutes ago, North and West said:

Morris County?




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Honestly less familiar with that area but I’d assume similar to western Bergen? Depends also if it has elevation? 

Also in a marginal event Westchester will usually be snowier than LI. This last storm was an exception at least for southern part of the county. 

11 minutes ago, ILoveWinter said:

There are plenty of highways on LI, espec in western sections. I think part of the problem is the high population density in Nassau and that to get in and out of LI you HAVE to go thru an even denser Queens. For Westchester, once you are out of Manhattan the density falls off dramatically which, combined with numerous highway/parkway options makes it a quicker ride.

The Bronx can get pretty crowded to travel through but even the Bronx north of the cross Bronx usually isn’t as congested as Queens. I find Westchester has way less traffic than Nassau. 

Just now, Dark Star said:

I wonder if you can make a wager on weather forecasts under "Sports Betting" ?

I want to know this too. 

11 minutes ago, the_other_guy said:

One of the reasons I move to Westchester was how much quicker and easier it is to get to Manhattan.

 

It is just too hard to get on and off Long Island. You take a place like Huntington and you can be in Putnam easily in same time

I also never wanted to be stuck on an island. For example yesterday I got to drive to upper Westchester to snow chase in 30 minutes. From LI it would take hours to get out of NYC especially during rush hour. 

Since I’m into climo convos and feel this is more appropriate space to discuss than the storm thread what if we broke down NYC metro into following zones that seem to relatively have similar climo. 

NJ Coast 

NYC/LI/Central NJ 

Eastern Bergen/Southern/Westchester/CT Coast 

Western Bergen, Passaic, Rockland, Northern Westchester/inland SW CT

Sussex, Orange, Putnam, Eastern Ulster, Dutchess 

Sullivan, Western Ulster 

3 minutes ago, snowman19 said:

Absolutely horrible performance from the Euro/EPS, HRRR, Ukie, ICON and NAM. NAM was beyond horrible. The RGEM/CMC totally schooled them and so did the GFS

The RGEM was pretty bad for northern parts of the subforum. I agree though it’s still the best of a bad group, at least it won’t get you dissapointed.

The NAM is beyond horrible. People can post what they want but I don’t know why people even post that model anymore it’s way off over and over again. 

2 minutes ago, snywx said:

Western Suffolk and SE Orange is roughly the same distance from Manhattan. 2-3 miles is the difference. It just seems closer because there isn’t much of a difference from the 5 boros in regards to potential weather impacts 

Yea I think your last sentence is why it’s viewed differently but I like Liberty’s idea of focusing on different climo zones within the metro region. 

1 hour ago, LibertyBell said:

just say coastal plain, because the climate rapidly changes as you go inland.  I see that as I head west basically once 20 minutes beyond the Lincoln Tunnel you see snow on the side of the roads lol

I think NYC and Long Island are mostly in the same climate zone and NW NJ is two climate zones colder than we are.

 

Yea this was basically my point, I guess climate zones is actually a better way to phrase it than nyc metro, thanks. 

50 minutes ago, snywx said:

Terrible logic

from Harriman to the GWB it’s 40 mins straight down the palisades 

Less traffic but the geographical distance from midtown to western Suffolk is definitely less than midtown to Harriman. 
 

Western Suffolk geographical distance is like northern Westchester/Rockland. 
 

58 minutes ago, snywx said:

Suffolk is immediate metro? Eastern orange is roughly the same distance to the city center as those are out East 

Huntington is far western Suffolk so not that far from NYC. Anyway I don’t really get why people NW get so bothered by not being referred to as immediate NYC Metro? Your climo is so drastically different and in a good way for snow lovers. 
 

Just now, snywx said:

Eastern Orange County has that title. 

Sorry I should have clarified immediate metro area. Yes Orange County seems to be the jackpot zone for the metro area as a whole.