ORH_wxman

That was such a crazy winter in S NH...I could never manage over a 20 inch snow pack that winter despite getting almost 80" of snow...but up there you guys must have had 3 feet anyway. 4 feet wasn't out of the question...esp up into C NH.

The last pic could have been April 1st last year? We didn't have a lot of wet snowstorms last year where we were. Only Apr 1st and maybe the 3-4 incher on Feb 8 before the cold front came in.

So you are saying "the dice were loaded" in the LIA? In all seriousness, the common famines of the 1600s and 1700s and starvation due to particularly harsh winters is not something unknown about the LIA. I brought up that period because if we are going to go bananas over a degree of warming, then we should probably talk about how ugly a temp decrease of that same magnitude would be. The bottom line is the climate is not stable no matter how much we want it to be. Would 4C of warming by 2100 have catastrophic consequences? It sure would but that is unlikely to happen. The biggest debate in AGW vs skeptics is the climate sensitivity which has recently been gaining evidence of projections initially too high.

No its not...you are pointing out an article that tries to show that things are worse in Bangladesh because of global warming....does that mean we should root fro global cooling now which may make Bangladesh better off but drastically hurt other regions? The point of my post was that most of these articles only show how it could be bad for spots and that nobody ever benefits from warmer temps. They basically sensationalize the Little Ice Age as this climate utopia and the current state we are in as so much "worse than we thought".

There's always going to be spots in the world worse off with climate changing either direction. Its a poor analogy. Its a good thing we aren't as cold as 200 years ago, otherwise crop production would be a lot worse and we'd see more famine on the globe. That's another way to look at it. I can't imagine the amount of famine we'd have if some of those colder years during the LIA happened again now.

That winter had some horrifying model teases...that storm...the Dec 19 storm (for interior where we got screwed)...Feb 10, 2010...and then December 1992 plus half a degree in mid March.

Remember when the GFS and UKMET were giving us a Feb '69 redux about 4 days out before the New Years 2010 retrograde storm? I got really excited for a brief time during that model run until the Euro was the buzzkill.

That storm is nicknamed "The 100 Hour Storm"...it was a retrograde job as kind sort of be seen well by the snowfall distribution. Most of the snow fell in a 2 day period though from Feb 24 to Feb 25, 1969...though there was still some moderate snow on the 26th. I believe that storm is still Blue Hill's biggest storm on record with 38.7"

They weren't living in Princeton yet. They moved there in 1994. The 42" is from the base of Wachusett.

Doubt we see a repeat any time soon, lol. The duration of that storm was most impressive. It snowed for like 36 hours.

You got more than 25"...probably more like 27-28" there. The center of Shrewsbury up higher probably had 30". I had 34-35" in Holden MA at the time.

Dec 1992 had a prediction of 2-4 inches 24 hours before the storm, lol. They maybe meant feet and not inches. It started as rain here too...I was in 6th grade and in social studies class right next to the window and the radiator....I was falling asleep from the hot air blowing on me but was staring out the window. Then all of the sudden a huge gust of wind came and the air filled with flakes, and as the gust subsided the flakes did too and it went back to mostly to rain...this process continued for about 10 minutes and then eventually one gust brought the flakes back and they never left after that. That was about 11:15 am on that Friday morning.

Ray did ok in that storm..his area in E MA was one of the few areas at lower elevation that made out well..he got around 20 inches. The valleys to the west of the hills got screwed so bad in part because of the absolutely howling winds out of the ENE which enahnced the downslope effect.

My favorite storm and favorite winter in my life

Well the Euro had it l like 5 days out, but then lost it by 60-72 and we all thought it was gone...remember we said congrats Phil on getting a 3-5" scraper when the Euro finally went east. Then the GFS at 12z on Dec 24 was the first model to bring it back.

Yeah you can see how the 12z Euro on the 19th whiffed. Then the 00z ETA nailing us, lol...the comments back then are kind of funny to read http://www.easternuswx.com/bb/index.php?/topic/16161-new-eta-rolling-in/page__st__40 I was still on WWBB for this storm.

There was a run or two where the Euro kind of lost it around 84-96 hours out....then when the ETA could "see" the storm at its long range 84 hours, it shows a big hit...the very next run the Euro joined it again and we knew it was game on.....you are right how it kept trending better and better with each run in the final 48h....the ETA/Euro at like 60-72 hours were showing a MECS type storm, like 10-15"...not a HECS...and the GFS was way southeast and the GGEM/Ukie were kind of scrapers. Then the ETA started going gangbusters inside of that 48h frame and got more and more obscene with each run. Euro looked close, but it was hard to tell because back then we didnt have Euro qpf maps...only the crude weather.unisys maps or the even worse ecmwf.int freebie maps.

The ETA and Euro had it nailed.

The GFS was absolutely horrendous in the Jan '05 storm I remember. It didn't bring warning criteria snow to BOS until like 24-36 hours out.

Yeah it actually got north of GON...most of SE CT was screwed. But then it got eaten alive as it went E...just collapse almost ESE and the Cape never got any of it. We lightened up for a bit too even though it didn't reach us. That was when I was starting to think I might not crack 20"...but then that final band formed to the NW and came through with really heavy rates to get us around 2 feet. One funny thing about that storm is I always thought Logan airport got the PDII and Jan '05 totals reversed. They came in with that really high 27.5" total in PDII but in Jan '05 they came in with like 22.5" when everyone around them had like 25-27". They should switch those totals, lol.

The final death band in Jan '05 was awesome too. For a little bit, it looked like I might finish with 17-18" and then that final deformation death band strengthened and collapse SE...we got like 6" in 2 hours when it moved through. It put that storm up another tier from those big 16-18" storms.

Jan 2005 I assume not Dec '04? That was such a cold blizzard. You knew the airmass was cold when the night before MVY was like -10F, lol. At one point I think ACK got to around 0C at 850 while it was -16C over PYM county.

I remember seeing the radar really early that morning (maybe like 4am or something) and there was like a black band rotting over the Cape and I was so jealous, lol. You could see the stars by that point here.

It used to be on google images when you searched January 2005 blizzard Cape Cod or something...I wish I had saved it because it was gone a couple years ago and I haven't been able to find it since. Parts of the upper Cape also basically kept their snow pack for 2 months from mid Jan to mid March, lol. Maybe a brief few days in Feb where it got sparse. That's hard to do there.

I remember seeing entire houses swallowed up by the snow drifts...there was a pic of a house from the backyard where you couldn't see any of the house except the chimney. The snow had drifted right up to the roof and covered everything. Also the frozen sea spray right along the coast was ridiculous...it had frozen to everything.