UMB WX

5 minutes ago, PhineasC said:

Well, it is Russia...

FYP. Was, WI. 

18 minutes ago, Brian5671 said:

he's a hot dog salesman?  

I'm shocked Phin would allow me to sell hotdogs to Obese America.

20 minutes ago, PhineasC said:

Clearly, the government doesn't view the threat of non-vaxxed peopled walking around without masks on as a big deal, and I think many regular people are catching on to that now with the rapid shifts in the guidance, so I expect booster demand to be very low. Many people got the vaccine in the first place not because of a fear of the virus, but because they thought the shot would be required to get back to normal life. Now that they see that is not the case, demand will crater, IMO. We are barely hitting flu shot territory at this point in terms of uptake on the COVID vaccines.

Should post this Garbage in the Conspiracy or Politics forum.   You're nauseating.  

1 hour ago, PhineasC said:

You get over it fast, trust me. Seeing very few masks here in MD now whereas just a week ago it was masks everywhere. Clearly, the powers that be decided it was time for the pandemic to end in this country and so they decreed it to happen. 

who is this powers that be you speak of?

11 minutes ago, Lava Rock said:

you think it'll fall a lot more this week? i almost bought some last week, but maybe this week? hard to know how low they'll go.

Just bought 150's ltc.   now how low can we go.  

2 minutes ago, OSUmetstud said:

I went out to dinner the other night and listened to some irish music with my gf. So I would say Im doing alright. Thanks for asking, though. 

His Narrative's pushed since fall are crumbling down on him.   

35 minutes ago, PhineasC said:

Feels good, man.

Obviously, king

Just now, WhitinsvilleWX said:

LOL I was a little wasted. 

But this OSU guy is a real winner. I get tired of his BS. Oh well, he's gone now off my feed.

Phin is harmless. I like him. But he's and engineer. I've known a bunch. They're all alike 

 

 

 OSU can melt the snowflake's down with the best of them. He's harmless and an asset. 

1 minute ago, PhineasC said:

Is it weird being right over the border and still locked down tight whereas America is opened back up and partying?

it must be weird to look in the mirror and see an asshole every AM.

Just now, WhitinsvilleWX said:

I thought I had you blocked. For some reason it let you through. you're blocked again. Have a good day.

I still laugh at  the night you blocked, phin.   

41 minutes ago, tamarack said:

And call it "Truth" like the Russians do?

Fox news has the Market covered.

1 minute ago, PhineasC said:

It's crazy how many TV commercials suddenly started up showing people "getting back to normal" and hitting bars and clubs with no masks on. Every time I watch TV now I am struck by how strong and consistent the messaging is. Very propagandistic. Definitely feels coordinated to me.

On 11/18/2020 at 7:41 AM, WhitinsvilleWX said:

You’re more optimistic then I am. I think it will be into 2022 really. 
But I’m one of “those” that do not trust the government for much of anything. 

whew!

On 11/18/2020 at 7:41 AM, ORH_wxman said:

ID card requirement is gonna be tricky....hippa act stuff. That's also a bit of a despotic road you don't want to go down.

Once the vaccine has been widely available for a couple months, you just lift all restrictions. If people don't want to get it, it's on them and it is not up to society to cater to them.

On 11/18/2020 at 7:42 AM, PhineasC said:

I have logged more hours on the road this summer and fall than probably anyone else on this forum, so yeah. There is a large groundswell of people who don’t want the vaccine because they think it is dangerous and won’t change the govt’s desire for control, and it isn’t just crazy white militia prepper types either. 

On 11/18/2020 at 7:43 AM, ORH_wxman said:

I agree it could take longer than people are saying. I was immediately on the pessimistic bandwagon back in spring when a lot of people were saying we'd all be stuck with a needle by autumn.

But for hypothetical purposes, whenever the vaccine is widely available to anyone who wants it, that's when basically all restrictions should be lifted. I could maybe see keeping them a bit longer for things like LTC facilities and hospitals.

On 11/18/2020 at 7:46 AM, ORH_wxman said:

I said a couple months after being available to anyone who wants it (i.e. no wait....no supply issues)

On 11/18/2020 at 7:49 AM, WhitinsvilleWX said:

Hippa doesn’t really apply. That only applies to giving information to health care entities. 
I’ve already seen Ticketmaster start to roll out the idea of an app that shows if you’ve had a negative test or have the vaccine to get into concerts. 
Everyone needs to get used to the idea that we will have to show “papers”. I don’t like it much, but I think if you want to go to Fenway, Gilllette, or get on an airplane, you’ll have to show proof of a negative test or vaccine. Might not be forever, but I’m pretty sure we’ll be dealing with these intrusions for several years.

The government won’t outright mandate it for adults, but it will be done by coercion if you want to go about your life. 
I have no problem taking it. I just don’t want to be first. 
I will say that if this mRNA strategy actually works and is safe over the long haul, my god this is truly a revolution in vaccine technology. Theroreticlly, we could vaccinate for all kinds of things. mRNA is easy to make and you can make buckets of it really fast. The biggest hurdle is the storage issue. 
 

On 11/18/2020 at 7:49 AM, PhineasC said:

It’s shocking how many here can’t envision the “state of emergency” just being extended forever due to the next bad flu or “resurgent COVID.” Or maybe they are OK with that reality. 

On 11/18/2020 at 7:50 AM, Baroclinic Zone said:

That's where I'm at.  I think by Summer 2021 we should have widespread availability of vaccine(s) and a substantial portion of the population who will have already received it.  We will have most likely 6 mo of people receiving the vaccine from Pfizer so we should have a good handle on efficacy any side-effects,

On 11/18/2020 at 8:01 AM, Lava Rock said:

This is what I am most concerned about. Where does one draw the line on the next outbreak. For instance, if flu cases next season seem to be ramping up more than usual, do we use these lockdowns and restrictions again, knowing that for decades we've never done this for flu? How many deaths would need to be met before restrictions were used? Who gets to decide if 50,000 or 100,000 deaths for flu would be too many and restrictions would need to be implemented. I just think covid has opened the door for future govt overreach. 

On 11/18/2020 at 8:03 AM, ORH_wxman said:

This is starting to get too political for the wx side....but I don't think the population will have any sort of appetite for flu-related lockdowns. They barely have it for covid without a vaccine.

On 11/18/2020 at 8:03 AM, CoastalWx said:

Nobody will lock down for the normal influenza we know. Already this year we have more mandates for the flu vaccine. So I don’t see that happening.

On 11/18/2020 at 8:13 AM, OSUmetstud said:

 

On 11/18/2020 at 8:35 AM, 40/70 Benchmark said:

I was just having this conversation with a coworker this morning. How do we distinguish between who has, and had not had the vaccine? People are just going to begin claiming that they had it when pestered about a mask. I feel as though it will just continue to be mandated for a good year after the vaccine is released, which will increase the tension because people who get the vaccine, like myself, will be irritated.

On 11/18/2020 at 9:08 AM, PhineasC said:

I am fortunate that I can hide out from the virus in style. That's why I am not being a massive hypocrite demanding people who have to work with customers every day shut themselves down and destroy their livelihoods to make me feel even better.

On 11/18/2020 at 9:12 AM, PhineasC said:

I think anyone who wants the vaccine should be able to take it, but once you take it the restrictions need to be lifted. That's the tradeoff. The virus is very, very low risk to most people. Asking them to take a vaccine requires something in exchange, IMO. That's having their old freedoms back.

I also don't think shaming people for being scared of this rushed vaccine and calling them idiots is fair either. There are reasons to be wary about how this has been developed and will be rolled out. The damn liberal governor of NY and VP-elect are saying the same thing. It's not just a fringe weirdo viewpoint.

I personally would take the vaccine if offered to me. If only to calm a few of the older folks in my sphere who are very scared of the virus. I don't expect it will be offered to me for a long while, however.

On 11/18/2020 at 9:22 AM, ORH_wxman said:

I think a certain amount of time after it has been available to everyone is the fairest route. Tracking who has taken it is a train wreck. For the sake of argument, lets say it is finally available to everyone in March (I assume high risk will have already had the option to take it before this), by June, you should have no restrictions at all. If you are still scared of the virus months later, then you can shelter away or decide to take the vaccine. If you don't take the vaccine, that's your problem, not society's.

On 11/18/2020 at 9:24 AM, PhineasC said:

I am just not convinced that mother hen govt is simply going to let people "make it their own problem" if they don't take the vaccine. Does that sound like something Cuomo, Newsom, or Whitmer would say? LOL well, maybe Cuomo.

On 11/18/2020 at 9:27 AM, ORH_wxman said:

This is getting too political for here.......but I mean, maybe they would? These people are still going to be driven by public sentiment at the end of the day. Some people will probably want to stay in lockdown mode, but I think you will see the groundswell start to occur in the opposite direction after a certain amount of time has passed with the vaccine widely available. You're also going to have cases plummeting because of this. That's going to be a very hard tide to fight and most politicians care about one thing....their jobs.

The only difficulty I can foresee with the lifting of restrictions is if the vaccine isn't available to enough people yet.

On 11/18/2020 at 9:29 AM, PhineasC said:

We don't need to debate it here. I am a cynic and a bit of a conspiracy theorist when it comes to govt power. We will see what happens. Fingers crossed I am wrong for everyone's sake.

Some spot on calls in here.. and some not so spot on calls.. Would be a shame to get this thread totally scrubbed off the internet.

16 minutes ago, PhineasC said:

A couple days ago, Hogan said the indoor mandate would be lifted for the vaccinated once we reached 70% vaccinated. He just threw that metric totally out the window. LOL

In MD, it isn't a "refusal" to wear the mask now. It is not required for the non-vaccinated. I'm sure some heads are exploding right now.

Bummer he wasn't paying attention or didn't wait a day to put his Metric out. It was no surprise the science didn't support a mask mandate for those vaccinated  No point in waiting to 70% now and people who are vaxed surely  weren't going to bother listening to the mandate. and the anti's  weren't gonna mask anyways.

17 minutes ago, PhineasC said:

 even for non-vaxxed. 

Great job, MD. assuming they have enough vaccinated that they think the anti-vaxxers that refuse to wear masks anyways won't be shitting things up.

5 minutes ago, PhineasC said:

If it doesn't fill up, they might cancel the flight. I have had more flights canceled on me the last 12 months than ever before.

good to know..ty.  decided to fly instead of drive to Indiana in June. Might be safe on a flight from MKE to Indy!

1 minute ago, PhineasC said:

I dunno, apparently to some it was. Glad we cleared that up.

dunno why anybody would assume or think airports have been empty.  weird

Just now, PhineasC said:

Are you guys trying to convince me about planes or yourselves? I have been flying all along with no vaccine. 

Telling us airports are getting back to normal is not breaking news bro. 

9 minutes ago, Bostonseminole said:

urgh.. I hope not.  but no biggie, it's 3 of us so we will fill out a row anyway.. I don't care about COVID, just like the space to stretch.

nice of him to paint you scared of Covid though.   Real piece of work he is.

1 minute ago, PhineasC said:

Gonna laugh when you make some shocked post about airports not being deserted like the man on TV said they would be. LOL you’ll figure it out soon. 

what news do you watch lol.  

1 minute ago, PhineasC said:

None of you expected VT and MI to drop mandates today. Give me a break. Stop pretending this is all following the science.

Why would we be shocked over CDC plans to drop mask requirements for fully vaccinated people..

Just now, PhineasC said:

I am saying the opposite. I know you are anxious to fight but slow down and read. 

nobody wants to fight you. most of us try to avoid narcs like you.

22 minutes ago, PhineasC said:

Thankfully we have the vaccine now for everyone who wants it.

I hope the people who are vaccinated do not pivot now to fear over variants. Been hearing that from some of the vaccinated folks in my family.

It is a shame the media hyped the "double mutant" variant talk so much to try to scare people into getting the vaccine. It appears it had more of an effect in making vaccinated people scared their vaccine will stop working.

Media Scared people in to getting the vaccine? Who the **** would solely run to get stuck because they heard "double mutant'  in the news.    You're narratives are wild bro.  

Just now, PhineasC said:

LOL at actually thinking unvaccinated people are not already going to stores and are waiting for CDC approval.

What reality do you inhabit, exactly?

^Look at this Narc.. who would think unvaccinated people are not going in to stores or are waiting for CDC approval.  

5 minutes ago, PhineasC said:

LOL "follow the science!"

You need to recall the Governor like they are doing in CA. That forces them to change tack.

Yep  time to move on and put that voting rights bill at the forefront now. 

6 minutes ago, PhineasC said:

I think the govt is trying to get more people the vaccine.

That these schemes are even needed just speaks to the fact that this pandemic is not exactly stacking the bodies in the streets and causing real panic. Just based on the stats, most people have lost family members who were already old and sick. I mean, if your grandma in hospice care dies of pneumonia, it's sad but not exactly unexpected, right? Well, this year she died with COVID instead. I've seen data that somewhere between 30-40% of the US deaths from COVID were in LTC facilities. The fact is, a younger healthy person is not going to become terrified of a virus that killed his 90 year grandmother in hospice care. That doesn't make him a moron or science-denier. 

Many people here have anecdotes about their perfectly healthy best buddy in the world catching COVID after his latest marathon and being on a ventilator within 24 hours. I don't want to cast doubt on those stories, but they don't fit the overall big picture.

Do ya think?  Business would like to fully open.