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My argument all along is that the bolded above will happen and that all we're doing is delaying it. Even if a vaccine is developed it will take more than a year to produce enough for just the US population. If the economic slow down continues indefinitely you will start to see economies collapse. If the US economy some how collapsed you're talking mass chaos and war. Look at some of the industries that are operating at losses right now. Our local healthcare system is 80M in the hole even after 60M in federal aid. And next month the airline industry will lay off over 100k employees.

It’s because the rate is so low. That may seem like a lot of people but in a country of 330,000,000 that’s a drop in the bucket. Over 80% of those 200k people are over 65 and 94% of all of them had a comorbidity. IE they were already clinically sick. For comparison over 800k people have died so far this year of heart disease and cancer in the US.

Pretty sure that CDC is simply pulling ICD codes. That modifier(when covid positive) has to be on every chart because of how effects level of care.

That argument is moving the goalposts. The same issue would prevalent for flu related deaths.

Covid is on every death certificate where the patient tested positive because it affects the level of care and how the hospital is paid for the case.

I agree, I think its pretty apparent that Covid is being politicized. Its as divisive a topic as religion.

Still looking. There was a can-am 400 that popped the other day for $500 that needed a new top end but someone beat me to it.

Yea I was in the market for a 4 wheeler, they absolutely exploded in price right after the stimulus checks went out.

Hey...Iron plates and protein have gotten WAY more expensive lol

When I first read your post I thought I wrote it lol. I agree that plenty are taking advantage but also don't want to stomp on the hearts of those who do want to work but cant find anything. I just don't see how we aren't pushing inflation rates up with the way were printing money. Like how do we discern the skyrocketing prices of some goods out there from being from demand or reduced economic output? You'd think with both happening at the same time at some point the bubble will burst. Or even worse what happens with all of outstanding mortgage and student loan money not being repaid? Its simply all pushed into the future? Something has to give...

Thats insane. Makes me sad to see those trees destroyed like that.

Thats going to make a mess of the stores with no glass from last nights looting...

I don't need USPS to post a profit but they certainly should be able to support themselves the same way the water authority charges enough to cover their operating expenses. Otherwise its just one more thing my tax dollar is subsidizing.

My timing was way off lol.

And thats just what they're officially reporting...

And 10 more states added to the quarantine list.

Ah gotcha. Thats crazy

That reminds me of the illness in the Stand. Where did he go for a test? My wife had her results in 24 hours, went to the place out in front of walmart on walden. I think Quest was running it.

You've gotta get one of your relatives username and password like me lol. I cant believe the buffalo news charges. This kind of follows suite with other articles being written about the stimulus plan delaying the inevitable. A huge package will be needed this month if they dont want the skyrocketing number of cases to completely grind the economy to a halt. Whats going on now across the country is eclipsing what we saw in NYC. New Era Cap is laying off one-third of its Western New York workforce and bringing the rest of its U.S. staff back from furlough. An executive from New Era confirmed to The News that the company is laying off 187 employees, 117 of whom worked at its Buffalo headquarters. New Era formerly had 350 employees in Buffalo and 600 across the United States, where it also has offices in New York City, Miami and Irvine, Calif. At the beginning of 2020, the company had 1,230 employees around the world. The layoffs follow a furlough period that began March 27 – at the front end of the coronavirus pandemic – and was originally planned for 60 days. That furlough affected about 70% of the company’s U.S. employees and was extended into summer. Jim Patterson, New Era’s executive vice president and chief operating officer, told The News in an email that the company plans to bring “the majority of our employees across North America back from furlough” by mid to late August. News of both the layoffs and the return from furlough came the same week that the U.S. Small Business Administration released data on its Paycheck Protection Program, which revealed that New Era received a loan of between $5 million and $10 million and was able to retain 488 jobs. New Era, a family-owned company founded 100 years ago, holds licenses with brands such as Marvel and DC Comics and exclusive deals with sports entities including Major League Baseball, the National Football League and National Basketball Association. The closure in March of professional and college sports leagues and the plunge in consumer spending as brick-and-mortar retail was shuttered was a walloping blow to New Era. The company, with revenues reported in late 2018 of about $750 million, saw “the most significant impact” in North America, Patterson said. New Era has 19 offices around the world. “North America business was down significantly in the early stages of the pandemic from March to May,” Patterson said. “We have seen some bright spots, but it’s difficult for us to project how quickly things will return given the current uncertainty around how the reopening is going in various states, etc. We will continue to watch this closely.” While New Era is best known in other regions – especially Asia – as a lifestyle brand that sells apparel and accessories, its North American sales are largely driven by headwear associated with sports leagues that shut down during the pandemic. Now that sports and stores are slowly moving toward reopening, New Era’s customers – which include teams, major chains and boutique fashion stores – are “beginning to place orders,” Patterson said. “There is still much uncertainty around the overall opening of retail in various states, as well as the resumption of pro sports,” he wrote. “That said, we are in close touch with all of our customers, and plan to regularly review the size of our workforce to ensure we’re addressing their needs and overall industry demand.” This is New Era’s second large layoff in less than two years. In early 2019, the company had closed its longtime manufacturing facility in Derby, where more than 200 workers made up to 4.5 million caps annually. In a regular year without a pandemic, New Era would sell about 75 million pieces of headwear. In a late 2019 interview, on the cusp of the company’s 100th anniversary, New Era CEO Chris Koch told The News that closing the Derby plant “was an excruciatingly hard decision for me.” Three months later, when announcing the furloughs in the wake of the coronavirus, he said in a statement, “In my 40 years at New Era, I have never experienced a series of events that have so quickly and adversely impacted our business.”

Get ready for lots more of this. The federal subsidies are running out and plenty of companies will be making drastic cuts to their workforce. https://buffalonews.com/news/local/new-era-laying-off-one-third-of-buffalo-workforce-ending-furloughs-by-august/article_0d358f96-c0a4-11ea-8630-334b48b30553.html#tracking-source=home-top-story-1

Europe with the exception of Sweden is a tinderbox waiting for reigniting. Britain just reopened its pubs and salons this past weekend. And in other areas lockdowns are still in place or being reimposed. Additionally all of their borders are largely closed, especially to Americans. https://m.dw.com/en/coronavirus-latest-spain-imposes-second-local-lockdown/a-54056686

https://www.foxnews.com/lifestyle/coronavirus-closures-americans-return-gym-study Time for you to start building a home gym @BuffaloWeather There's going to be plenty of equipment on the market when these gyms start bankrupting. Maybe I can get that full set of dumbells I've always wanted...

This puts that into context.

https://www.wivb.com/news/local-news/erie-county/state-studying-if-coronavirus-can-be-spread-through-hvac-systems-in-places-like-gyms/ Officials just painted themselves into a corner. Simply open the gym and leave the HVAC off.

I disagree with the 6 to 12 months being a short period of time. You’re asking people to give up more than 1% of their life to MAYBE get a vaccine and save less than 1% of the population. Meanwhile that yearlong shutdown will probably contribute to an economic collapse (In other countries, were privileged here) that will cause more deaths than the virus itself.