Logan11

Happy New to all of you also.

It hit 42 here today with mostly cloudy skies. 38 now. About 4 to 5 inches of wet snow left in the undisturbed woods. In the open areas plenty of areas with nothing and then the drifts.....biggest about 30 inches. That's where all the snow on my back lawn went.

Yes, let's! It's a balmy 54 here now, glad this won't last too long!

I see what you mean. Course I was only talking about for the absolute emergencies like the pregnant woman that waited 8 hours in labor, etc. IE where people are dying because nobody can get there.

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Lol.. I wish it were that easy. Let me put it in perspective for a minute. FDNY EMS averages more 911 calls in one day then Boston does in a month. Thats on a "normal" day. Now add 50% of call volume to that number and then factor in the weather. Thats a recipe for disaster.

You know the block really never leaves completely up near Greenland. Unfortunately it still allows a cutter on Saturday, but this isn't going to allow the kind of extreme torch that might otherwise have occurred. Also the deep snow pack means it can really decouple at night ..big time inversion. I suspect quite a bit of snow pack survives this mini-torch.

I dropped to 4 right after I posted my low earlier this morning, surprising to say the least. just as much as my low of 30 yesterday morning was.

Sure...I recall numerous snowfalls where people have been stranded on roads such as the Thruway Upstate where they use snowmobiles...often volunteers. This takes me way back to 1978 when my Dad was stuck between POU and Kingston in that blizzard and they received emergency assistance on the Thruway from snowmobilers. Ultimately they freed him up and he had to spend the night on the floor of one of his fellow car poolers house in Kingston. LOL. This was the old energy crisis days and they had a five guy carpool thing going to get down to work at IBM POU.

Good idea. When they those 2-3 foot snowfalls, they could use the machines to get stranded people off the highways, attend to medical calls, and use for park patrols. They can even pick up EMS staff that live in the city that can't make it into work due to down subway lines buses, etc.

There is one simple cheap thing they could do to get paramedics through at least in an absolute emergency situation like we had during the blizzard.. Snowmobiles. Why doesn't city spend a little money and buy a fleet of maybe 50 snowmobiles.... They could get through any of the snow and at least get emergency responders to sick people, pregnant women, etc.

I agree that people expect too much of the City in terms of plowing/clean-up immediately following the storm, but there needed to be a greater effort made to allow emergency vehicles to pass. Fire trucks and ambulances were delayed by hours trying to get to calls because of the poor plowing, and three people died as a result. That is inexcusable.

Bottom line is ...Governor Rendell was right about the whimpification of America. LOL

You live in a Northeast city ... guess what...it snows and you deal with it. You have to expect to be inconvenienced after a 20"+ Blizzard! You cannot expect NYC to have the resources to make life normal within 24 hours after such a storm.

And it simply wouldn't be cost effective for NYC to even attempt to be prepared to make things normal so fast after such a blizzard. Its not worth it when you only get a few storms like that per decade. (yes two this year, but that was a freak thing) There would be no point in developing that level of "snow fighting" infrastructure for infrequent events like this. You gotta look at the cost/benefit analysis.

Yes, I beleive that it was a City Buildings Dept SUV.

A bummer with this storm, and it typically happens wafter the big coastals, we get mild air behind it which is cutting in on my snow pack

I guess people can't grasp the concept that their lives may be disrupted for a few days following the 5th or 6th greatest snowstorm in NYC history. It was on a par with the Blizzard of 1888 in snowfall with 20" in CP, 24" in Brooklyn and 29" in Staten Island. But this fell in about 20 hours whereas that storm was over a a few days.

You can't fault the people with airline tickets because they had pre-booked and were stuck, but otherwise people were warned simply to stay home during this snowstorm so it is their own fault if they got stranded somewhere.

A little OT but some of us are originally from the city. They were slammed Watching some of the news coverage on the NYC channels, man they had issues with this storm. Video of abandoned cars, buses, emergence vehicles, people stranded on highways in the city for 12 hours all over the city looked like the opening for The Walking Dead. Surreal for sure. I lived in the city for 40 something years and I don't think I've ever seen widespread issues as this storm caused. Maybe John Lindsey's snow storm will be replaced by this Bloomburg Storm. Can't help but thinking the budget and people making decisions to travel in a blizzard played a role.

Posthumous report ..so to speak.... I measured 10 inches yesterday in Saugerties at our cottage there. The open areas were very blown off, but back in the woods I found an undisturbed spot. Then I shoveled out what the plow guy didn't get to... It was 22 there at 4 PM.

Despite 7 new inches, my lawn here in Knox is largely devoid of snow now....kinda sad, but I knew this open ridge would be windy. Most was transported 500+ feet to the hedgerows.

We have been getting nuisance lake stuff filling the air with flakes all day...just fresh dustings. 25F outside.

I was a bit far northwest for the best band but I came in with about 7 to 8 inches so not bad for a fringe event. It's blown to bits now, but I went down into the woods to measure ..about 10" on the ground there, but some is old snow. Extreme wind chill now with the blowing and drifting - actual temperature of 9F.

ALB area itself around 10" give or take.......

Yes here is the jackpot zone for the mid/upper HV and adjacent NE. .....which began about 25-30 miles to my east/southeast:

Connecticut

Litchfield County -- Precipitation Reports

Canaan

14.00"

Massachusetts

Berkshire County -- Precipitation Reports

Alford, MA

20.00"

Pittsfield

16.00"

Lanesborough

15.00"

Clarksburg

15.00"

Pittsfield

14.00"

New York

Columbia County -- Precipitation Reports

Kinderhook

17.50"

Ghent

20.00"

North Chatham

20.25"

Taghkanic

19.00"

Livingston

16.50"

Ancramdale

14.50"

Copake

14.00"

Chatham Center

16.00"

Dutchess County -- Precipitation Reports

Pine Plains

25.00"

Hopewell Junction

24.00"

Greene County -- Precipitation Reports

Maplecrest

17.00"

Greenville

11.00"

Ashland

11.00"

Prattsville

11.00"

Rensselaer County -- Precipitation Reports

Hoosick Falls

16.00"

Brunswick

11.00"

Vermont

Bennington County -- Precipitation Reports

Landgrove

18.00"

Woodford

20.00"

Rutland County -- Precipitation Reports

Danby

13.25"

Im loving this storm so much more than the Snowicane, the drifting is insane around here. NYS 416 and 207 are down to close to one lane in the open spots with whiteout conditions. I've never seen anything like that around here, the last time I saw a ground blizzard was when my brother lived up in Cazenovia after a lake effect event. I have bare spots in my yard and 30" drifts in other spots. Impossible to get an accurate measuremnt of anything. I saw a report of 15" in Montgomery from 1am which seems reasonable, looke like 16-18" around here overall but we'll never know for sure.

Moderate snow + and 14F here. Finally looks like a snowstorm here. Albany (east side) is getting into the heavy snow band it seems as it pivots west.

Dish.

At long last moderate snow backing in here from the east. The northwest fringe is continually getting eroded away, but it muscles its way west in fits and stops... I doubt it ever gets west of the central Mohawk Valley.

If there is anyone around Saugerties/Catskill let me know whats up. I think I will be heading down in the AM to help clear out our cottage down there.

Great to see you found us! Definitely tough to measure with the winds. I am over 8" so far. It's been coming down at 2" an hour if i had to guess.

Beautiful. I may head down to a rental property we have in northern Ulster County tomorrow and help the tenant shovel. Must be getting bad there now also.

Sure enough, that band is just sitting over me and intensifying. Some of the most intense snowfall rates I've ever seen... approaching 3".

Well one can't get too greedy. LOL Snowcane type event is very rare. I imagine 12-20 east of the river and maybe 12-16 from Orange to Ulster is realistic...tapered down to 10 or 12 at NY/PA/NJ triple point.

Heheh! Neither of us are willing to commit to that 2"

I believe the 18Z NAM still has about .75" at KALB....

I actually had a flurry here 30 minutes ago until the northwest edge dropped back off. Our only hope for getting in that band to our south is the RUC and thats not a good thing. I know the precip shield is going to push northwest again but i have a feeling this didnt pull toward the coast enough to hit us good. Not to be overly negative but I wouldn't be suprised if we downgrade to advisories and end up with 6" or less.

I expect it to make a renewed push up. They had snow in Delmar a half hour ago.

BGM radar shows better the snow in the western Cats and Poconos etc. ALB radar does a very poor job in that area maybe due to the Catskills peaks wrecking the radar range . Anyway I think the overall pivot nnw will keep up.

could an albany screw job be in the making lol? radar has backed off the approach of the precip and the latest guidance has gone significantly east. oh well at least I was prepared for this ha.

But the real show in the HV should be about 10 PM to 6 AM I believe....

RUC keeps the heavy banding largely south of us...

Hey I wonder if the former "Flurries" from Rochester is around now? Speak up if you are here. He was going to be moving to Dutchess County this year and we teased him about the lower snowfall. But now it would appear that his move has paid off ..at least for this storm.

The latest RUC has an extremely optimum position of the 700 mb low. It wraps the deformation banding across all of Eastern NY and reaches as far west as BGM. The surface low sits near Montauk ultimately. It is so wound up that most of SNE gets into a dry slot situation eventually.

Ratios are already impressive.. Surface low is clearly west of all 12z guidance and RUC along with the SREFs continue to zero in on the hudson valley for intense banding.. Interesting day/night ahead

The 0Z GFS just looks like an optimal track for the biggest snows in the HV overall. I was a little surprised that qpf amounts tapered so fast west of the HV because it pushes the deformation pretty far west into Central NY at its furthest extent. If it takes that track, I think some of this heavy banding in the deformation is being underdone in terms of the qpf that will actually be realized.

The time to really watch is 30-36 hours when the best banding should be sitting over the HV and Catskills. The qpf is underdone IMO.

0Z NAM cut back QPF

KSWF 11.9 snowfall QPF ,89

KPOU 18.4 snowfall QPF 1.09

0Z GFS

KSWF 29.5 snowfall QPF 1.31

KPOU 29.7 snowfall QPF 1.37

About 30 to 40 miles southeast as it makes the closest pass to LI. Maybe within model error, but that small shift moved areas west of the HV from 1.25" at 18Z to .75" now.... But it's only one model.

As long as it tracks west of the BM we should do well I think. The bufkit totals are insane - they print out some outrageous ratios during the height of the storm. Earlier I posted them along with the total qpf and snow fall using a simple 12.1 ratio for comparing - even then it was an impressive snowfall.

We should have better ratios than the coast due to colder column temps and less wind. Looking at the 0Z NAM it looks like it shifted east a bit

Here are your current watches for the entire region as of noon:

URGENT - WINTER WEATHER MESSAGE

NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE ALBANY NY

1158 AM EST SAT DEC 25 2010

NYZ047>054-VTZ013>015-260100-

/O.EXA.KALY.WS.A.0009.101226T1800Z-101227T1700Z/

SCHOHARIE-WESTERN SCHENECTADY-EASTERN SCHENECTADY-

SOUTHERN SARATOGA-WESTERN ALBANY-EASTERN ALBANY-

WESTERN RENSSELAER-EASTERN RENSSELAER-BENNINGTON-WESTERN WINDHAM-

EASTERN WINDHAM-

INCLUDING THE CITIES OF...COBLESKILL...MIDDLEBURGH...DELANSON...

ESPERANCE...DUANESBURG...SCHENECTADY...ROTTERDAM...BALLSTON SPA...

MECHANICVILLE...WATERFORD...ALTAMONT...ALBANY...TROY...

HOOSICK FALLS...BENNINGTON...JACKSONVILLE...NEWFANE...

BRATTLEBORO...WEST BRATTLEBORO...BELLOWS FALLS

1158 AM EST SAT DEC 25 2010

...WINTER STORM WATCH IN EFFECT FROM SUNDAY AFTERNOON THROUGH

MONDAY MORNING...

THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN ALBANY HAS ISSUED A WINTER STORM

WATCH...WHICH IS IN EFFECT FROM SUNDAY AFTERNOON THROUGH MONDAY

MORNING.

* LOCATIONS: SCHOHARIE COUNTY...CAPITAL REGION OF NEW

YORK...RENSSELAER COUNTY AND ALL OF SOUTHERN VERMONT.

* HAZARDS: MODERATE TO HEAVY SNOW...AND GUSTY WINDS.

* ACCUMULATIONS: 7 OR MORE INCHES OF SNOW WILL BE POSSIBLE.

* TIMING: LIGHT SNOW MOVES IN SUNDAY AFTERNOON...TRANSITIONING

TO MODERATE TO HEAVY SNOW SUNDAY NIGHT THROUGH MONDAY MORNING.

* IMPACTS: HAZARDOUS TRAVEL DUE TO SIGNIFICANT ACCUMULATIONS OF

SNOW ON ROADS. VISIBILITIES WILL BE REDUCED IN THE SNOW.

STRONG WINDS WILL MAKE DRIVING TREACHEROUS DUE TO BLOWING AND

DRIFTING SNOW.

* WINDS: NORTH TO NORTHEAST WINDS AT 10 TO 20 MPH WITH GUSTS TO

AROUND 35 MPH SUNDAY NIGHT THROUGH MONDAY MORNING.

PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS...

A WINTER STORM WATCH MEANS THERE IS A POTENTIAL FOR SIGNIFICANT

SNOW...SLEET...OR ICE ACCUMULATIONS THAT MAY IMPACT TRAVEL.

CONTINUE TO MONITOR THE LATEST FORECASTS FROM YOUR NATIONAL

WEATHER SERVICE.

URGENT - WINTER WEATHER MESSAGE

NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE ALBANY NY

1158 AM EST SAT DEC 25 2010

CTZ001-013-MAZ001-025-NYZ058>061-063>066-260100-

/O.CON.KALY.WS.A.0009.101226T1800Z-101227T1700Z/

NORTHERN LITCHFIELD-SOUTHERN LITCHFIELD-NORTHERN BERKSHIRE-

SOUTHERN BERKSHIRE-WESTERN GREENE-EASTERN GREENE-WESTERN COLUMBIA-

EASTERN COLUMBIA-WESTERN ULSTER-EASTERN ULSTER-WESTERN DUTCHESS-

EASTERN DUTCHESS-

INCLUDING THE CITIES OF...TORRINGTON...OAKVILLE...NEW MILFORD...

TERRYVILLE...PITTSFIELD...NORTH ADAMS...GREAT BARRINGTON...LEE...

LENOX...HOUSATONIC...HUNTER...TANNERSVILLE...WINDHAM...CATSKILL...

COXSACKIE...ATHENS...CAIRO...JEFFERSON HEIGHTS...HUDSON...

CHATHAM...SUNDOWN...ELLENVILLE...WOODSTOCK...WEST HURLEY...

KERHONKSON...NAPANOCH...PHOENICIA...KINGSTON...NEW PALTZ...

POUGHKEEPSIE...BEACON...ARLINGTON...PAWLING...DOVER PLAINS...

MILLBROOK...PINE PLAINS...AMENIA...MILLERTON

1158 AM EST SAT DEC 25 2010

...WINTER STORM WATCH REMAINS IN EFFECT FROM SUNDAY AFTERNOON

THROUGH MONDAY MORNING...

A WINTER STORM WATCH REMAINS IN EFFECT FROM SUNDAY AFTERNOON

THROUGH MONDAY MORNING.

* LOCATIONS: EASTERN CATSKILLS...MID HUDSON VALLEY...CENTRAL AND

SOUTHERN TACONICS...BERKSHIRES...AND LITCHFIELD COUNTY

CONNECTICUT.

* HAZARDS: MODERATE TO HEAVY SNOW...GUSTY WINDS WITH NEAR BLIZZARD

CONDITIONS POSSIBLE.

* ACCUMULATIONS: GREATER THAN 7 INCHES OF SNOW WILL BE POSSIBLE.

* TIMING: LIGHT SNOW MOVES IN SUNDAY AFTERNOON...TRANSITIONING

TO MODERATE TO HEAVY SNOW SUNDAY NIGHT THROUGH MONDAY MORNING.

* IMPACTS: HAZARDOUS TRAVEL DUE TO SIGNIFICANT ACCUMULATIONS OF

SNOW ON ROADS. VISIBILITIES WILL BE GREATLY REDUCED IN THE

SNOW. STRONG WINDS WILL MAKE DRIVING TREACHEROUS DUE TO BLOWING

AND DRIFTING SNOW.

* WINDS: NORTH TO NORTHEAST WINDS AT 10 TO 20 MPH WITH GUSTS TO

NEAR 40 MPH SUNDAY NIGHT THROUGH MONDAY MORNING.

PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS...

A WINTER STORM WATCH MEANS THERE IS A POTENTIAL FOR SIGNIFICANT

SNOW...SLEET...OR ICE ACCUMULATIONS THAT MAY IMPACT TRAVEL.

CONTINUE TO MONITOR THE LATEST FORECASTS FROM YOUR NATIONAL

WEATHER SERVICE.

URGENT - WINTER WEATHER MESSAGE

NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE NEW YORK NY

1052 AM EST SAT DEC 25 2010

...A MAJOR WINTER STORM MAY IMPACT THE REGION SUNDAY AFTERNOON

THROUGH MONDAY AFTERNOON...

NJZ002-004-006-103>108-NYZ067>075-176-178-260000-

/O.CON.KOKX.WS.A.0005.101226T1800Z-101227T1800Z/

WESTERN PASSAIC-EASTERN PASSAIC-HUDSON-WESTERN BERGEN-

EASTERN BERGEN-WESTERN ESSEX-EASTERN ESSEX-WESTERN UNION-

EASTERN UNION-ORANGE-PUTNAM-ROCKLAND-NORTHERN WESTCHESTER-

SOUTHERN WESTCHESTER-NEW YORK (MANHATTAN)-BRONX-

RICHMOND (STATEN ISLAND)-KINGS (BROOKLYN)-NORTHERN QUEENS-

SOUTHERN QUEENS-

1052 AM EST SAT DEC 25 2010

...WINTER STORM WATCH REMAINS IN EFFECT FROM SUNDAY AFTERNOON

THROUGH MONDAY AFTERNOON...

A WINTER STORM WATCH REMAINS IN EFFECT FROM SUNDAY AFTERNOON

THROUGH MONDAY AFTERNOON.

* LOCATIONS...NORTHEAST NEW JERSEY...THE LOWER HUDSON VALLEY...

AND NEW YORK CITY.

* HAZARDS...MODERATE TO HEAVY SNOW WITH GUSTY WINDS.

* ACCUMULATIONS...5 TO 10 INCHES WITH LOCALLY HIGHER AMOUNTS.

* IMPACTS...HAZARDOUS TRAVEL DUE TO SIGNIFICANT ACCUMULATIONS OF

SNOW ON ROADS. VISIBILITIES WILL BE GREATLY DIMINISHED. STRONG

WINDS WILL PRODUCE BLOWING AND DRIFTING OF SNOW...WITH NEAR

BLIZZARD CONDITIONS AT TIMES...AND WILL MAKE DRIVING

TREACHEROUS.

* TIMING...LIGHT SNOW MAY BEGIN SUNDAY MORNING...WITH THE HEAVIEST

SNOW LATE SUNDAY THROUGH EARLY MONDAY.

* WINDS...NORTHEAST WINDS 20 TO 25 MPH WITH GUSTS UP TO 30 MPH...

BECOMING NORTH 25 TO 30 MPH WITH GUSTS UP TO 35 MPH SUNDAY NIGHT

THROUGH EARLY MONDAY. WINDS BECOME NORTHWEST MONDAY AFTERNOON.

THE STRONGEST WINDS WILL BE ACROSS NEW YORK CITY AND NEAR THE

COAST.

PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS...

A WINTER STORM WATCH MEANS THERE IS A POTENTIAL FOR SIGNIFICANT

SNOW...SLEET...OR ICE ACCUMULATIONS THAT MAY IMPACT TRAVEL.

CONTINUE TO MONITOR THE LATEST FORECASTS.

You know years ago there was a young guy that called himself Codman from around SWF (or so)....are any of you him with a new name? Or heard of him... I was just curious. He was on the BB's and IRC for a long time.

I'm just sitting tight and hoping that we get in on this.

ECMWF still looks like warning criteria for your area though taken verbatim. Andy made comments on it in the Upstate thread.

I dont have access to the 6 hour ecmwf but if I remember correctly, yesterday it was tracking the low from the deep se due north up to NYC and then ne from there while the gfs tracked the low ne from the coast and ots . Today the ecmwf and the GFS are more or less in track agreement with the low off the mid atlantic coast and then out to the ne.

I dunno if I can sit through a radio show this soon. Also they won't have the benefit of the ECMWF at that hour and what good will it be to analyze the GFS in it's "brain dead" mode right now. Not saying anything as extreme as the Euro will happen, but I think the GFS is in its dead zone of losing the storm right now.

LOL! Combine the radio show and the raging weenies discussing the merits of the JMA and KMA this is a goner..... next.

I think if we pick up a few inches from this we'll be lucky. I am not digging the pattern so far this year, not buying the storm making a 90 degree turn to come straight up the coast.

You guys around Orange County must have been closer to that snow/ice demarcation in that winter of 93-94. I got 95% snow from those series of storms in Saugerties, but I remember the city was having mostly ice. None of those storms were huge in a KU sense, but I think the biggest at my place was about 15 inches.

I remember one crazy day where we had an overunning event and a cold high seeping low level cold down the HV. We had a snow event where it started snowing at like -8F in Saugerties and peaked at like 10-15F. SWF was also like 10F, but they actually had FZRA at least for awhile. NYC was an ice storm.

Exactly and the winter of 93-94 that I'm referring to had events like that. My record keeping wasn't very detailed back then but the biggest snowfall I have recorded that winter was 12", which happened twice. Otherwise it was a bunch of smaller events but they just kept coming along with the cold temps.