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Sounds like you want to be the family expert.. The actual forecast by Accu weather was 4+. Two days before the storm starts up in your neck of the woods. Not a bad forecast for two days out. I will be interested in their updated forecasts. Biggest private weather firm in the WORLD, gotta be doing something right. You should bond with your cousin. At least he listens to you.
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Greatest ice storm of all time. My young family and I were skiing at Waterville valley in New Hampshire. The night before the storm hit Philly the temperature hit minus 32 degrees at Waterville. The next morning it was 20 degrees in Philly. And poring rain. We drove home two days later and the freezing line with ice was brutal. We lost several trees north and west of Philly. Everyone lost trees. The second greatest ice storm happened around 2011-2012. A little north of us. Closed 78 and Lehigh university. A bunch of my daughters Sorority sisters came to stay with us. That was not to bad. lol
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No historical data at all. As the source authors said....the methane burbs where from areas they never observed before. You don't read the things you post and you don't read things other posters post.
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I read all that. The authors who reported the methane burbs said that they had no historical data to compare. Observing methane burbs for the first time your observing... is different from observing methane burbs that are occuring for the first time in a long time observation. This is the crux of the discussion.
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Maybe i missed something......Where are Russian Scientists reporting a large increase in the rate of methane release?
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r Real climate makes fun of methane alarmism. No way you can read it otherwise. Real Climate is way into alarmism.
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It's like a train wreck...can't stop watching posters making jack asses out of themselves. Real climate.....AGW champions..founded by Galvin Schmit and Mike Mann....Puke on the idea that methane is a threat.
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Worst climate thread ever on Eastern/American. Even Realclimate laughs at this thread.
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Yes. Excellent posters. I am more on the Skeptical side..Friv and Skier are those on the AGW side that I respect. I have been away for a while. Is vergent new or just a different name from Eastern?
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Those ice cores show that Co2 and Methane FOLLOW! temperature changes and no run away effect.
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Wow. Many AGW posters buying into the Methane world death theory. Not the legit ones..but many. Any stats that show how much methane was being released globaly 10 years ago? 100 years ago? 1000 years ago? Every two to four years we have the methane scare.
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Over 4.5 Billion people could die from Global Warming-related causes by 2012 http://www.agoracosmopolitan.com/home/Frontpage/2007/01/08/01291.html People pushing the chicken little theories destroy AGW crediability..
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However, the pattern of isotope shifts expected to result from a massive release of methane do not match the patterns seen throughout the early Triassic. Not only would a methane cause require the release of five times as much methane as postulated for the PETM,[13] but it would also have to be re-buried at an unrealistically high rate to account for the rapid increases in the 13C/12C ratio (episodes of high positive δ13C) throughout the early Triassic, before being released again several times.[ Fail
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And yet peer reviewed papers posted in this thread don't support that position at all. The source(the authors) of the article that prompted this thread reject that position also. There is no history beyond several years to even speculate on methane release. (Not even a hockey stick with cherry picked tree data as proxy to temperature. Tree data that is replaced with real data the last 50 years because real data does not match the proxy.) There are many things we do not know about climate change. Somehow massive releases of methane have not doomed the planet in the history of the planet. Even when dinosaurs roamed the poles.
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Vergent.....Reading through all this......could you please explain what your point on Methane is? In your own words.
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Semiletov and Shakhova..who were the source for the original article say "We would first note that we have never stated that the reason for the currently observed methane emissions were due to recent climate change." http://dotearth.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/12/27/leaders-of-arctic-methane-project-clarify-climate-concerns/ They go on later "Observations are at the core of our work now. It is no surprise to us that others monitoring global methane have not found a signal from the Siberian Arctic or increase in global emissions" http://dotearth.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/12/14/methane-time-bomb-in-arctic-seas-apocalypse-not/ Revkin echoes my point from an earlier post" it’s important to get a handle on whether these are new releases, the first foretaste of some great outburst from thawing sea-bed stores of the gas, or simply a longstanding phenomenon newly observed.” The Barrow readings of methane mean little. It's like taking the temperature reading of one city and claiming that represents global climate change. Of course if the Barrow readings went off the charts that would be something different. That's not happening. Chicken Little newspaper stories does not help climate research
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Been a way for a while. But before I left this forum had kinda agreed that posting articles about climate from Uk newspaper was stupid. This artical was stupid. No links from peer reviewed papers. No explanation how loss of sea ice enabled Methane to be released from under the ocean. This is not a political sub forum.
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Flat or down for this year. doomsday cancel
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"Retreat of Arctic sea ice releases deadly greenhouse gas." Retreating Sea Ice has nothing to do with releasing methane. If you think otherwise...explain how sea ice contains the Methane. This headline should make a thinking person think. "deadly greenhouse gas" These sort of headlines and "studies" really hurt the crediability of those that think this is legit. A link to a respectable site that shows increasing methane in the Atmosphere would be a start. Previous surveys of methane release would be also needed.