And we were not starting from much, lol, It was better in Nov when we went 5.5" on the 16th then 6.5" on the 20th, Had more of a pack then but that got washed away as we torch pretty badly on south winds here, It really has not been good outside of areas that held on to what little they have got, I can relate to the frustration, Maybe we start to turn the corner on the 8th, It does look decent from there on.