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The Iceman

March 13-14 Storm Observations

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Picked up 0.5" of powdah today to make a nice topping for yesterday's glacier. Basically it snowed from around 11 am till 4 pm, mainly light but verging on moderate a couple of times.

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4 hours ago, Violentweatherfan said:

There is a great synopsis over in the MA forum regarding this storm. 

Bob Chill has a great post detailing how everything began to change and why maybe the NAM was right to a degree. 

 

Nice, thanks for the link :)  I was concerned about what the short range models were pointing out too, as I know with a low in that position we change over anywhere from NW Montco or up a bit into the Poconos.  I hadn't thought about the placement of the high as much as I should have though.........I took too many people's word for granted over whether we'd change over or not.  I also took for granted that the low would be a bit further east going by what some mets said, but alas, the nam was correct after all.  Still, I knew we were in for a nasty storm as 12"+ with all that sleet is no fun to shovel.  It rutted up the roads good too........pretty much like the 1993 blizzard did!  I didn't do a final measurement from my house, but the 13ish" I hear for my area looks about right.  (10" in low part of my yard, considerably more in drifted parts....but I didn't measure them so I can only speculate)  

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Checking in with 19-20" from yesterday's march madness. 

Warm tounge, compacting, and sleet mess definitely pushed the total down. 

Another ton-ton (snowmobile) just startled me outside

 

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23 minutes ago, DarthDoppler said:

Nice, thanks for the link :)  I was concerned about what the short range models were pointing out too, as I know with a low in that position we change over anywhere from NW Montco or up a bit into the Poconos.  I hadn't thought about the placement of the high as much as I should have though.........I took too many people's word for granted over whether we'd change over or not.  I also took for granted that the low would be a bit further east going by what some mets said, but alas, the nam was correct after all.  Still, I knew we were in for a nasty storm as 12"+ with all that sleet is no fun to shovel.  It rutted up the roads good too........pretty much like the 1993 blizzard did!  I didn't do a final measurement from my house, but the 13ish" I hear for my area looks about right.  (10" in low part of my yard, considerably more in drifted parts....but I didn't measure them so I can only speculate)  

I completely took granted that it was would be their too.

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This storm doesn't even come close to the bust of march 2001. 70 miles further east and mont co would have been in 20+ snow totals.

2001 2-3 feet was forecast and in Lansdale that day it was 40 degrees and mostly cloudy.

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Agreed, not even remotely close to 2001. And most people Ive spoken to and seen on social media arent complaining AT ALL contrary to Iceman's claims. Perhaps the weather weenies are upset but Joe Public could care less. Most people are telling me that was a really bad March storm. I think most public went with media outlets that were generally 6-12 or 8-16 in my area and werent too far off. If anything people are praising the media and weather service citing just now bad it was. Most people really dont care they didnt get a foot.....their day was severely impacted and that is how most seem to have judged this storm. A "bust" in the weather community? Perhaps. A bust for the normal everyday person? Not really.


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5 hours ago, Ralph Wiggum said:

Agreed, not even remotely close to 2001. And most people Ive spoken to and seen on social media arent complaining AT ALL contrary to Iceman's claims. Perhaps the weather weenies are upset but Joe Public could care less. Most people are telling me that was a really bad March storm. I think most public went with media outlets that were generally 6-12 or 8-16 in my area and werent too far off. If anything people are praising the media and weather service citing just now bad it was. Most people really dont care they didnt get a foot.....their day was severely impacted and that is how most seem to have judged this storm. A "bust" in the weather community? Perhaps. A bust for the normal everyday person? Not really.

 

First, March,2001, not a part of this comment. Personally I (weather weenie) was disappointed we got no snow of note; just a few flakes at the start. I do believe the overall forecast could have been better. HOWEVER, as you said, "Joe Public could care less". I stand alone among many friends & family members in missing snow. I too hear a goodly number of folks describe the storm as "bad". They feel for those who got iced in and truly believe those headaches are worse than a few more inches of snow. Interestingly, several told me the while forecast north & west of here was for more snow/less ice, it is March. They acknowledge the tough call the NWS had to make, especially in March; surprised me. That means MANY down this way feel lucky/HAPPY we only got rain, even if it was 2.80". The wind, as predicted, did not fall short; still gusting 35+mph(3/16,1:15pm). Don't know how many gusts of 40+mph I've had (many!)but the average person considers it all storm related. It's still impacting outdoor activities. Through in the flooding which did reach moderate levels, as predicted,  all around Cape May County and which caused numerous problems. Indeed most do feel we've had a bad storm and the overall (CWA) forecast was close enough.

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My joe public opinion:  I simply didn't understand watching all of the models on Monday afternoon and while I am mentioning the word sleet to my co workers that know I read these sites, here pops up a blizzard warning for my county. (Chester) at 3pm.  The winter storm warning should have stayed and really that's my biggest complaint.

The two best models (GFS-Euro) have been wrong more often than right this winter.  So did the mets actually not believe the short term ones?  Why did they put so much weight of the low's track as these models showed?  This is 6-8 hrs. before the storm got here.  Yes I do understand 50-75 miles east\west makes a difference, which again, brings me back to why the blizzard warning for Chesco?  It was a good they extended them north, but for the dude at WPC to say he didn't want to confuse the public, what a dumb statement, and I'll tell you why:

The weather service issues statements for the public to rely, plan, use as their best guide in regards to weather that will be happening.  When they post a warning that doesn't EVEN come close to verifying than they ARE confusing the public.  OK, joe public rant over.  Watch your blizzard warnings next time guys! 

 

 

 

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