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22 minutes ago, ErinInTheSky said:

Reopening is happening in several states but I have yet to see any evidence that it's resulting in significant economic activity, flooding of stores, bars, etc. Most places are staying closed, and even places that are opening are barely seeing any customers. I think people simply don't feel safe engaging in economic activity during a panemic. Some do for sure, but the polls generally show about 60-80% of people have some degree of avoidance planned.

Make sense.  I guess the predictions of people making a mad dash for Applebees after their tyrannical government allowed them to leave their house never materialized.  At this point, opening things up is a paper exercise.  There is pent-up demand for sitting on a beach, but not sitting at a restaurant.

2 minutes ago, DCTeacherman said:

Could be our first sub 1,000 death day in a looooong time. 

First time since March 30th.  Mission Accomplished.  Time to #openitup!

A majority of the people who lost their jobs, and are supposedly starving and foraging for food, support the restrictions too.  Phin is a rebel without a cause.  Sad!

I've never visited the politics forum.  Sounds like it must be a cesspool over there.  

Well, today was the first weekend of loosened restrictions in 30+ states.  I was told to expect lines out the door of people who, after a month of being oppressed by their tyrannical government, finally exercising their right to get a massage.  Instead, I see lots of people just sitting at the beach.  My 401k does not approve of this.

Just now, dailylurker said:

Who's the clown? Could a moderator please remove the troll. Thanks

Which one?  There are several trolls on this thread today. LOL

1 minute ago, PhineasC said:

Data from Vietnam that there are zero deaths actually perfectly fits my narrative that this disease is not as bad as we think... but I can clearly see their data is total BS.

Vietnam is a poor country that would not have been able to reduce deaths to zero. That doesn't make any sense at all.

The CDC believes their data.  If an armchair epidemiologist on a weather discussion forum doesn't want to believe it, that's their prerogative.   

Just now, PhineasC said:

LOL

The data very clearly says kids don't die from COVID-19 or really even become seriously ill. Flu is way deadlier for them.

But yeah, data from the communist dictatorships in China and Vietnam is a better source. Yup, zero deaths in Vietnam.

If the data doesn't fit your argument, question its source.  Classic tactic.

5 minutes ago, PhineasC said:

Hyperbole is stating here matter of factly that Vietnam has had zero deaths and China nearly eradicated the virus.

I go by data.  You go by feelings.

1 minute ago, yoda said:

LOL - laughing at the false statement here

He's the king of hyperbole.  It's entertaining.

Granny should get a flu shot.

I read somewhere that 30% of teachers are over 50.  So I don't really blame them.  The 50-65 demographic has a significant risk with this virus too.

Just now, PhineasC said:

Do you think China is being honest here? Really?

And Vietnam probably doesn't have the health infrastructure or the honesty at the national level to accurately report. You really think they have had zero deaths? Really?

I think back in January and February, China was dishonest about many things.  It appears the local government in Wuhan tried to hide things from Beijing, and likewise China misled the WHO (whether it was because they wanted to save face, or they didn't want external scrutiny, or they were hiding something - I don't know.  I'm not interested in political conspiracy theories.).  And I'm sure they under-counted back then too. 

But I'm only looking at their current daily numbers.  They may not be exactly correct but I think they''re within an order of magnitude, i.e. they seem to have it under control currently (though that doesn't mean it won't come back).  I'm sure Vietnam has had a few deaths, but whether it's zero or just a handful, they don't seem to have a big outbreak there.  They took very early steps at containment.  The CDC believes the Vietnamese numbers so I'll defer to them.

Yes, there could be issues with data quality and data sources.  But it's also possible that they're just doing a better job at basic public health right now.  

2 minutes ago, PhineasC said:

Not all data is of equal quality. Vietnam certainly has had a death from COVID-19. That should be obvious.

 

We can't trust Communist data.  Got it.

5 minutes ago, PhineasC said:

China's data is total bunk and shouldn't be believed by anyone.

 

We can't trust Communist data.  Got it.

South Korea, Vietnam, China, New Zealand and Australia have essentially squashed this virus for the moment.  Very few cases and most of those cases are imported.  Vietnam hasn't even recorded a single COVID death which is remarkable considering their population is nearly 100 million people.

Germany is well on its way to squashing it.  They've seen 27 consecutive days of a steep decline in active cases.

Italy and Spain has seen seen a decline in active cases for about ten consecutive days (not as steep as Germany but a definite downward trend).  Turkey, Iran and Denmark are similar.

US and UK appear to be past their peak, but still struggling.

Brazil and Russia appear to be in the worst of it. (though Russia's death rate is quite low)

The conclusion is that we either need more time, or we suck at public health.  We spent much of the 20th century teaching the world about good public health, so it'd be pretty disappointing to know that others execute it better than we do.

7 minutes ago, PhineasC said:

With business production and some rationing, yes. They never forcibly shut down churches, businesses, sports, travel, etc. I think a lot of folks will just vote with their feet and move to states like Texas and Florida, a trend that is already happening.

Oh, and elections have been canceled. NY canceled their primaries. More is coming in November unless we push back on it.

You seem to minimize what happened back then because it's not convenient to your argument.  But that rationing meant significant limitations on daily activities.  There actually were travel restrictions back then because of fuel rationing.  Many sports were also cancelled.  But yes, you probably could get a haircut back then.  They had freedom!

5 minutes ago, PhineasC said:

It's called the Interstate Commerce Clause, champ.

The 10th amendment provides states great latitude for doing things in the interest of public health.

The Interstate Commerce Clause actually supports the idea that a national stay-at-home order might be constitutional.  So is that what you're arguing now?  LOL.

1 minute ago, PhineasC said:

Folks need to study history if they think it's "cute" to believe the government can be given an inch and then take a mile. Literally every totalitarian regime starts this way. We shouldn't be cheering this shit and hoping it stays this way. Take a damned civics class.

Our government was much more authoritative during WW2.  They gave most of that control back after the war.  If you feel our leaders are too authoritative you can vote them out.  If they suspended elections then I'd be more concerned.  Otherwise there are mechanisms in place to change our government.

7 minutes ago, PhineasC said:

Your argument is stupid. It's essentially that the lockdown orders are fine because you can just ignore them and nothing will happen. 

But when protestors ignore them, you flip out about it. Pretty interesting.

I never flipped out about the protesters.  I prefer that they wear an "I protested today" sticker so I can stay 20 feet away from them, but other than that I have no issues.

2 minutes ago, PhineasC said:

I'm sure the Founders intended for states to use a "Riot Control Act" to completely shut off a city with some positive COVID-19 cases. A city with a major interstate highway passing through it. Sounds good.

They should have explicitly put it in the Constitution then.  They were smart people.

9 minutes ago, PhineasC said:

The MD order says I cannot leave the state unless it is for an emergency or other "essential" activity. Upon my return, I need to be in isolation for two weeks. Have you even read the orders? Just because you are ignoring them doesn't mean they don't exist, and neighbors have been tattling on each other all over the place.

Where have you seen neighbors tattling all over the place?  Sounds like an anecdote.  I thought you didn't deal with those.

Littering is technically a $300 fine but I've never seen anyone get fined for littering.  All rules are written this way.  Go cross the Maryland border and report back.  I promise you won't get arrested.

2 minutes ago, PhineasC said:

Glad we are keeping that utterly unconstitutional spirit alive, then!

You obviously have no understanding of the Constitution

1 minute ago, PhineasC said:

Here is where the truly committed lockdown governors go next: totally shutting off certain cities, regions, or possibly even counties.

https://www.governor.state.nm.us/2020/05/01/gov-authorizes-gallup-lockdown/

Let's stop pretending it can't happen here.

Next stop after this is taking people from home and forcibly sending them to a field hospital "for their own safety and the safety of the community."

Let's hope common sense kicks in long before we get there.

That already happened a couple months ago in New Rochelle in early March.  Before our current restrictions took place.

2 minutes ago, PhineasC said:

You said yesterday I could leave the state any time I want to get a haircut, and you thought that was a compelling argument for why lockdowns are fine, dude. LOL

You sure can.  Have you been arrested yet for traveling between any of your three residences?  I doubt it.  There is no lockdown.

2 minutes ago, leesburg 04 said:

Where are you getting 2 years from?

He has no idea.  He backtracks and shifts and swerves like Floyd Mayweather.  There is no consistency to his arguments other than using hyperbole to form a contrarian argument.