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5 hours ago, RedSky said:

"The" family member told me Accu weather said 4" of snow last night and "they are never wrong" 

Is this true and why do I waste my time on any of this lol

 

Sounds like you want to be the family expert..  The actual forecast by Accu weather was 4+.  Two days before the storm starts up in your neck of the woods.  

Not a bad forecast for two days out.  I will be interested in their updated forecasts. Biggest private weather firm in the WORLD,  gotta be doing something right.

You should bond with your cousin.  At least he listens to you.

4 hours ago, PhineasC said:

95% of the population lives near I-95. There hasn't been a real ice storm in that zone since 1994.

You are basically in a totally different climate zone from these people. 

Greatest ice storm of all time.  My young family and I were skiing at Waterville valley in New Hampshire. The night before the storm hit Philly the temperature hit minus 32 degrees at Waterville.  The next morning it was 20 degrees in Philly.  And poring rain. We drove home two days later and the freezing line with ice was brutal.

We lost several trees north and west of Philly.  Everyone lost trees.

The second greatest ice storm happened around 2011-2012.  A little north of us.  Closed 78 and Lehigh university.  A bunch of my daughters Sorority sisters came to stay with us.   That was not to bad. lol 

Cherry Hill should have a message that Radar is temporally available.

This is a great radar.  So happy it is working given the impending storms

Good job Nws.

This radar should work 24/7.

If not...Nws should not have it as their official radar.  When it works it is awesome!  But it breaks all the time.  Current break is really long. 

Lots of rain and storms right now.

I am glad I started a funny thread.  lol

In the immortal words of Led Zeppelin....Has anyone seen the radar?...has anyone seen the radar?  Where is that confounded radar?

Radar still not working.  From wherever.

South Jersey...South Jersey NWS.

On ‎3‎/‎9‎/‎2019 at 10:06 AM, MGorse said:

There is no radar in Cherry Hill.

 

If you are referring to the radar at Fort Dix, it was down for a time yesterday so our technicians could replace a leaking part.

If you go to the Cherry hill radar site...Its not working many times.  Fort Dix whatever.  I don't understand this.  I do not blame you MGorse or the Cherry Hill office..  But when warnings are out for severe weather, it would be nice if it was not offline.  When it is working...it is great.  Lots of info on total rainfall,  storm intensity.  I wish the NWS put more resources into this.

Really sucks

In my opinion...the Mount Holly Radar should have a top priority.  Resources should be spent on keeping the darn thing up.  This should be ahead of community engagement.  Ahead of sending a team to investigate whether wind damage was straight line or tornadic.  They should build a second RADAR! 

This is not directed at the folks at Mount Holly.  It's directed at the upper ups.

July forth picnic pool time.  Can't go to the nws for my radar...have to go to Accuweather.

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http://www.arctic-me...ders/4558749249

Rember; Don't panic!!! and don't forget your towel.

No historical data at all. As the source authors said....the methane burbs where from areas they never observed before.

You don't read the things you post and you don't read things other posters post.

Start with the opening post for this thread and read the first page of responses - that will give you a good start. And links to papers related to arctic methane releases are scattered throughout the thread.

I read all that. The authors who reported the methane burbs said that they had no historical data to compare. Observing methane burbs for the first time your observing... is different from observing methane burbs that are occuring for the first time in a long time observation.

This is the crux of the discussion.

Ah, I think I see the source of your confusion - you need to understand the distinction between alarming and alarmism, Reading reports that Russian scientists are observing a large increase in the rate of methane release - is alarming. Running around screaming that the world is ending - that's alarmism. Nobody is doing that here. All clear now?

BTW - your Nom de Blog is a good one, very appropriate. Blue Sky - empty and devoid of anything of interest. An inspired choice.

Maybe i missed something......Where are Russian Scientists reporting a large increase in the rate of methane release?

I feel that you're misreading the RC column - they are not saying the we can ignore the issue of methane releases. From my reading of the RC column they are saying that the worst-case scenarios have not materialized. The issue is serious, but not yet catastrophic. So the difference between the RC blog and the thread here is more a matter of degree of severity.

Now if you have any real contribution to add to the thread, say, a legitimate scientist whose research comes to different conclusions - we'd love for you to share the link to the paper. But your snark really doesn't add as much as you obviously think it does.

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Real climate makes fun of methane alarmism. No way you can read it otherwise.

Real Climate is way into alarmism.

Then go away

It's like a train wreck...can't stop watching posters making jack asses out of themselves.

Real climate.....AGW champions..founded by Galvin Schmit and Mike Mann....Puke on the idea that methane is a threat.

Worst climate thread ever on Eastern/American. Even Realclimate laughs at this thread.

Honestly, when you have Friv and Skier saying that some posters in this thread are being alarmists, some of you should take a step back and consider if they are talking about you.

Yes. Excellent posters. I am more on the Skeptical side..Friv and Skier are those on the AGW side that I respect.

I have been away for a while. Is vergent new or just a different name from Eastern?

how about 800,000 years ago?

The antarctic ice cores go way back and have high resolution, and almost no contamination.

Those ice cores show that Co2 and Methane FOLLOW! temperature changes and no run away effect.

Wow. Many AGW posters buying into the Methane world death theory. Not the legit ones..but many.

Any stats that show how much methane was being released globaly 10 years ago? 100 years ago? 1000 years ago?

Every two to four years we have the methane scare.

Over 4.5 Billion people could die from Global Warming-related causes by 2012

http://www.agoracosmopolitan.com/home/Frontpage/2007/01/08/01291.html

People pushing the chicken little theories destroy AGW crediability..

Read up on the Permian Extinction.

However, the pattern of isotope shifts expected to result from a massive release of methane do not match the patterns seen throughout the early Triassic. Not only would a methane cause require the release of five times as much methane as postulated for the PETM,^[13] but it would also have to be re-buried at an unrealistically high rate to account for the rapid increases in the ¹³C/¹²C ratio (episodes of high positive δ¹³C) throughout the early Triassic, before being released again several times.^[

^Fail

There exists several times the global warming potential from mankind's burning of fossil fuels locked up in the frozen arctic environment. If it becomes warm enough up there due to AGW, then the melting tundra and sea floor should release methane in increasing quantity. Unlike the burning of fossil fuel, we have no control over that process and the threat is if this potential is unleashed the worst case global warming scenarios become inevitable and beyond our potential to control.

And yet peer reviewed papers posted in this thread don't support that position at all. The source(the authors) of the article that prompted this thread reject that position also. There is no history beyond several years to even speculate on methane release. (Not even a hockey stick with cherry picked tree data as proxy to temperature. Tree data that is replaced with real data the last 50 years because real data does not match the proxy.)

There are many things we do not know about climate change. Somehow massive releases of methane have not doomed the planet in the history of the planet. Even when dinosaurs roamed the poles.