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Just now, NorthArlington101 said:
- China fought the virus by enforcing social distancing to an extreme you don't want... they welded morons who were going to leave their houses into them and covered the highways with mounds of dirt to stop people from leaving their cities. The death toll and number of cases there is likely underdone (though I'm not sure I believe its as dramatically underdone as others, hell, our case numbers and fatality numbers are way underdone), but they stopped it through social distancing. They aren't out of the woods yet though, other countries could bring it back to them.
- China instituted strong social distancing and, you are right! Massive drop off! That is proof it works. Jesus.
- I'm sure China is laughing at the U.S. response, I know I am.
- Yes, everyone catching the virus and getting immune would solve the problem quickly. But also millions of people would die. So weigh that how you will.
There is two very problematic approaches when it comes to the numbers that we see.. #1 is that we do not have consistency in methodology. Anitbody testing is non existent in the US.. and this is what we really need in order to determine who has been exposed to the virus so that we know the actual mortality rates. #2 is that we need to be able to determine if Corona Virus is the cause of death vs Corona virus is present at the time of death.
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1 hour ago, C.A.P.E. said:
I hope you are being facetious, but I have a strong feeling you aren't. If the latter is true, please seek help.
I am not being facetious at all.. people need to get sick to fight this virus.. it is the only way. The virus will stop spreading when people build up the necessary immunities. And this happens in schools. Shutting down schools was probably the worst thing we could have done.
This is informational warfare at its finest.. checkout china for instance.. they instituted social distancing at the end of January and then about 6 weeks later they reported no new cases.
How can anyone with half a brain believe that this is true? Thats not how this works!!!
If we are only trying to "flatten" the curve.. how is it that china how some how miraculously made the curve go away? they didnt. They either ran out of test or (more likely) stop testing or (most likely) stopped reporting new cases and deaths.
They want you to believe that social distancing is the answer so that while world shuts down, they ramp up production of the vital products the rest of the world needs... they artificially are driving the stock market and world supply and demand.
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Jerry Falwell seems to be the only one with any sense in this situation
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Just now, mappy said:
you mean walking around? since you don't have a car?
haha!! the no car thing was just my response for the police if I get stopped walking to the grocery store.. but I just checked.. you can leave your house for exercise.. so no need for that one
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2 minutes ago, Winter Wizard said:
Not much has changed but the enforcement is much harsher. Before all non-essential businesses were closed and people were strongly dissuaded from leaving their houses. Now, beginning at 8 pm, people are not permitted to leave their homes by law and can be fined up to $5000 or sent to prison for a year.
We can go out for exercise and walk our dogs.. we can go out for food! I really dont see what has changed?
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Also I am in dire need of toilet paper so I will be driving around to look for toilet paper this tomorrow.
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3 minutes ago, Winter Wizard said:
Stay-at-home order goes in effect at 8 pm tonight in Maryland. Figured that was coming after seeing PA and DE, but wow, this is surreal.
https://www.baltimoresun.com/coronavirus/bs-md-stay-at-home-hogan-covid-19-20200330-pmid22rvirdwbppx4xpgjadoim-story.htmlgood news is that I dont own a car so I get to walk to the grocery store any time I want!
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11 hours ago, psuhoffman said:
You must have a very low opinion of the medical profession.
Well.. I had thought that Dr. Birx was going to bring some sanity to the situation based on some of her previous pressers.. but looking at her most recent comments.. she is drinking the cool aid too..
2 hours ago, H2O said:this banter thread.............smh
China has pulled off the first successful worldwide assault of informational warfare in the history of mankind. this will be studied in international relation courses for centuries to come. The rules of the game just changed...
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1 minute ago, Vice-Regent said:
Rght? I feel you brother but we burn together for capitalism and the profit motive.
I am just trying to make the point that there people were getting sick way way way before this became a media sensation and social media shaming platform. And given when we know about how fast this thing spreads... I have no doubt that people were dying in America before anyone even knew this was going on..
The season variation in flu deaths (in the united states alone) can be any where from 3,000 a week to 10,000 a week... in china I am sure you can quadruple those numbers.
So if a couple hundred people are dying everyday in city Wuhan from Corona Virus.. no one would even bat an eye brow...
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Just now, Vice-Regent said:
Rght? I feel you brother but we burn together for capitalism and the profit motive.
what do you mean?
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6 hours ago, WxUSAF said:
Except we had 2 months to get ready that were entirely squandered.
People were dying in US and were sick as far back as Decmber
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The thing about Pandemics is that once you know it is happening.. it is basically too late to do anything. People are contagious before they are sick..
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3 hours ago, fourseasons said:
Just flipped on the NHL Network; the season is "paused until further notice". The scouting combine, the NHL Awards ceremony, and the draft, which were expected to take place from June 1-6, have been postponed.
In addition, if they did come back this season they would have a short period of "training camp" before games resumed in earnest.
As an aside, hockey equipment maker Bauer is is now in the medical face shield business, and has made publicly available for other companies' use a diagram of their design.
The fact the they allow fighting in NHL but not in NFL is implicit bias.
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20 hours ago, psuhoffman said:
I teach economics, I’m fully aware of what they are trying to do. I’m just saying imo this isn’t the best way. If we assume we are going to continue running the markets and economy then yes we have no choice but to inject massive amounts of cap into the system. But they aren’t simply printing money for the reasons you understand. They are borrowing it or reappropriating it mostly. The interest on that will then eat up more of our tax revenues. We could just print the money but then we cause inflation as you said. Most people don’t realize it’s the production and value of your resources that matters not cash.
The issue with doing it this way is inequity. By continuing a “free market” economy while mandating huge sectors of the market shut down you are creating enormous inequities between industries and individuals that will cause instability going forward. Some will be irreparably hurt no matter how much stimulus we do.
On the other hand if you temporarily freeze the economy and transition necessary industry to command controls and subsidization until this is over there is much less inequity when we restart. So long as you freeze all debt payments on both ends, both to and from financial institutions, they will emerge as intact as they were. Same with businesses and individuals for the most part. Problem is there are some institutions actually making a profit during all this and they don’t want to lose that. This will allow the markets and financial sector to operate and continue making a profit but at the expense of severe inequities to others. The other option is most simply come out where they were going in but it requires the markets and financial institutions to pause and lose several months of profits. But since they wouldn’t actually lose money just potential profits that is a much more equitable way to deal with this imo.
Another very large factor that will further increase the inequality is the fact that anyone that has money to burn right now is dumping it in to stocks that have taken a dive (but will presumedly rebound). Make no mistake about the tax date being pushed back.. that was clearly a message to the rich to invest...
Think about it.. who typically owes taxes at the end of the year? Usually high wage earners with complex tax situation. 1099'rs.. (I am one of those)..
Once the economy rebounds... people are going to reap the rewards by doubling down.
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3 minutes ago, Baltimorewx said:
Well it just got real for me, my job was forced to lay me off, among others. Hopefully just temporarily but obviously unknown with the scope of this thing. Sucks. Let’s hope the unemployment hotline isn’t crashed today.
you get $600 more per week than what you would normally get due to Stimulus!
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11 hours ago, psuhoffman said:
I don’t consider this political because the stimulus bill is bipartisan and this is in no way an attack on one side or the other what I’m about to say pertains to general reaction by EVERYONE...I’m just genuinely confused by the reaction and the plan. Many other nations have totally suspended rent/mortgages/utilities/debt for months. How many people pay less than 1200 for all that over say 3 months? Imo what we just got is way less than what most governments are doing plus we will have to pay for this someday vs the idea of simply freezing then rebooting the economy when this is over. Yet people seem genuinely grateful if not downright giddy over this. Am I missing something?
I am going to keep my comment on the economic side because I do not want to open up the political discussion.. The stimulus is not about helping people, it is about stabilizing markets. That said, this is a fiduciary measure to inject money in to the economy. It is simply a measure to get money out of the treasury and in to circulation. 1200 per person is the largest single fiduciary act in the history of the world... Whenever they do this.. they have to be careful not to inject too much because the result will be inflation. The government really doesnt "run out" of money. The reality is that they can simply print more (or add a zero). The controlling factor is prices.
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7 hours ago, Scuddz said:
So, what's new around here? How many folks got banned after this winter?
I havent gotten banned this year yet...
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Stocks rebounded nicely today.. this will be shortlived once everyone defaults and unemployment insurance payouts kick in.
People dont realize that when the money runs out.. it actually just runs out..
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18 minutes ago, C.A.P.E. said:
What exactly do you mean here?
What I mean is that typically you would want the virus make its way through the population in order for people to build up the needed immunities. Since we have prevented that natural process, I would expect that as soon as social distancing is done, the virus spread of the virus will once again accelerate.
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5 minutes ago, supernovasky said:
I mean they are cancelling the Olympics. I think they are preparing for this thing to last through into the summer. Even if we quarantine and bend the curve back in 2-3 weeks from now, it'll still be hard to phase back in, and will likely result in having to quarantine again from time to time or still practice some form of social distancing.
What happens if we slow down the spread of the virus (which I am giving social distancing at least some chance in accomplishing) and then open everything back to work and school?
I am no expert.. but dont these things need to like run their course? I would expect every just gets sick.. like we are supposed to?
March Banter 2020
in Mid Atlantic
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I talk about this in group therapy last night... I put it all out there.. that I thought I was going nuts.. that I felt like I was the only person in the world who thought the way I did.. they set me up with an appointment with a nurse practitioner to put me in Suboxone and maybe adjust the mood stabilizer.. so we will see what happens..
in the mean time.. I need to focus on work.. I two full time jobs and one part time job and I am falling behind on all of them!
BTW.. I was watching on youtube last night and the hospitals are like ghost towns in NYC.. I would link you but youtube took down the video.