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9 hours ago, HIPPYVALLEY said:

There is little chance many of the out of state season pass holders are going to honor the VT quarantine rules.  
 

That’s completely unfair to judge that.  I am currently on day 15 quarantining waiting for word of Killington opening.  I have an apartment in VT.  I will leave VT on  11/30 and return 12/14 fully quarantined once again. In fact I must quarantine according to the state of CT since VT is now on the CT list where CT residents must quarantine  upon returning  from VT since it is now a hot spot.  We Get everything delivered.  I have not been in a grocery store since early March.  Just sunday our microwave broke.  We did not drive to Walmart to get a new one.  Nope.  The new one will be delivered via UPS tomorrow. I work from home and my husband is also working from home.  We have no kids. The last time we left our property was 11/3 to vote. We wore N-95 masks when we voted.  We plan to stay in Vermont until at least 1/25. And I hope to ski every day at least a few runs at lunch.  I live trail side in Vermont so parking reservations are a non-event for me. I know I am not the only one.

We have basically reduced every unnecessary (to us) risk to zero.  But we spend the summer fishing and gong to the beach on cape cod and we will spend the winter skiing in VT.  F the virus. I’m not getting it and I’m not stopping doing what I love just because of it. 

Just now, MarkO said:

Will VT allow folks from other states to even buy lift tickets? That's really the only way I could see them having any control of out of state skiers if they want to enforce it. I agree ski areas will be open, certainly in NH where I see no way a former ski resort owner is current governor. NH was also the last to shut down last winter. Live Free or Die, lol

 

 

Non-Vermonters are allowed into VT if they quarantine.  same as other states.  Currently if you live in CT you can go to NY or NJ and return to CT without quarantine.  If you go to/return to CT from anywhere else you have to quarantine in CT for 2 weeks.  So anyone from CT wanting to ski without a quarantine should be go to NY.  But if you quarantine and the mountain is open you can ski anywhere.  How can they refuse you to use your season pass if you are in their state legally after a quarantine?

51 minutes ago, powderfreak said:

I can safely say without the Gov't shutting them down, that Stowe will be open.  Too much money has been put into it already in planning, hiring, protocols, buying PPE and making infrastructure changes to help social distancing, etc that there's no way the company will just close it.  Too many season passes sold, etc.

But again, it's all geared towards like 30-50% normal business... these ski areas cannot operate within COVID procedure parameters and get 75% or more of their normal visitations... the guest experience would be absolutely horrible.  That's why reservations and such will work to control crowd levels so as to not degrade the experience to just waiting in lines to do everything from using the lift to getting inside to go to the bathrooms.  I mean you're still waiting in lines everywhere, but hopefully not like 30 minutes or longer lines.

Personally I still think weather is going to dictate this to start a lot more than COVID.  Pattern is not very favorable into December.    

I’m on day 15 of quarantine hoping to ski Killington sometime in the next week for a week.  Had planned to come back for two weeks but continue to quarantine so that we can go back after that for a while.  Starting today CT requires a 14 day quarantine for anyone traveling to VT and staying more than 24 hours in CT so it’s just getting tighter.  CT does allow grocery shopping and picking up medications during quarantine but that won’t be an option for us because Vermont does not.  Won’t be hard to quarantine in VT now since socializing with anyone outside of your household in VT is forbidden. We won’t be going anywhere while in VT except the lifts.  That is if the VT governor does not shut them down.  Interesting article by skiology Matt on Northeast skiology.

Not looking good right now in Vermont for skiing.  Watch the governors press conferences through the week.  Lots of food on edge right now.

33 minutes ago, CT Rain said:

For sure. I mean everyone I know with an IKON or EPIC pass is 100% expecting to ski in VT this winter. Not even contemplating not going. 

Powder freak is right.  I have a full time condo rental in VT.  So yes.  No equity.  Just throwing money away.  And I’ve been there 4 nights in 8 months even though prior to that I lived there 165 days a year.  I work from home full time and get everything delivered to avoid people.  My husband is a full time remote student.  I have season passes and can walk about 50 years to the lift.  So we also will have parking hang tags (no reservations necessary) and no need to use a base lodge at all for any reason. Yet I’m feeling like we should not be going to Vermont because of all this.  Vermonters are very vocal about not wanting anyone out of state to go there.  I suspect that once the skiers start going and as the infection rates rise the folks there will blame the outsiders and it will be very uncomfortable to be there if you are a rule follower and care what people think.  Our condo building has a laundry mat and it’s a small condo (2 rooms -550 sq feet). If we leave our house for the condo we have to leave our food stockpile (freezers of meat and stocked non perishables - we probably have 4+ months of food on hand at least).  And I worry about running out of oil or if we have a lot of snow at our house.  Honestly, if we could be there all winter but could travel the 2 hours home for a day every few weeks without stopping along the way we could get our laundry done and resupply food without people contact.  But VT won’t allow that.  So if we go we have to stay and use common laundry facilities and go to stores which is far riskier.  The quarantine is making us WAY less safe.  I honestly stress about all this.  But I see people I know at Killington putting together their share houses same as always.  CT Appleman is right.  I think most people probably don’t even know there is a travel restriction. A woman I know from CT posted about her trip to the VT general store and yankee candle yesterday with pictures and everything.  Said she was bummed she could not stay overnight in VT because of the quarantine. She obviously thinks there is some 24 hour exemption like CT has for people coming to CT.  Part of me is ready to think we just can’t go to VT at all this year and yet I see people clearly all thinking they are just going to go for weekends etc. Who loses?  The safe person like me who is absolutely no threat to anyone and worries about the rules.

I do think the ski season could get shut down in the near future in Vermont at this rate anyway.

5 hours ago, cny rider said:

Question for the Vermonters in the know:

My brother lives in Waterbury and we always celebrate Thanksgiving together, either in Saratoga or out here in Otsego County.

Is he going to be able to travel to NY and return without quarantining?

 

No

3 hours ago, PowderBeard said:

That parking plan at K will be interesting. Could be rough if you don't have a place slope side, a lot of waiting to park and walking. And they are planning on using shuttles? Be curious how long that lasts. 

Killington has almost no slope side lodging. They plan to run the shuttles to and from the condos at 50% of capacity.  The condo associations are gearing up with parking permits and enforcement.  Even folks dropping people off at drop off sites need permits.

41 minutes ago, PhineasC said:

It seems lockdowns don't really work if they are half-assed and start/stop based on surges. If you do lockdowns "the right way," the enormous social and economic impact just isn't justifiable, especially for a virus with a 99.5% survival rate. So we have no choice but to take this middle ground and hope herd immunity/vaccine/better treatment pulls us out of it.

I am kind of tired of people asserting that Americans aren't wearing their masks or social distancing enough or that politics has caused the pandemic to be worse here. That's pretty clearly BS if you look at Europe and compare. There are no Trump supporters in Spain, France, and Italy. They surely "mask up" there and socially distance. They also have socialized healthcare. Yet cases have been surging all the same.

I'm not seeing what a new US president would suddenly do differently than what is already being done in Europe.

Taiwan and Germany and other places are doing better for example.  There are ways to avoid this situation we are in. Not being clear about the risk of aerosols early in and falsely communicating to people that it is a hoax for example.

Killington is making snow now in the Snowdon area as well as the Northridge area.

The season is right around the corner, and we can’t wait for the Longest Season in the East to get started. Over a month ago we sent out our Winter Operations Plan and although we included a lot of detail, we still had some unanswered questions that I will address today. You will find high-level information below and I encourage you to click the links to our website for all the details. 
  
Our continued goal is to ensure the wellbeing of all, and an important part of Operation Stay Safe is managing the number of people at the resort at any given time. Doing so will enable appropriate physical distancing so that you may stay safe and have a great, fun-filled Killington Resort experience.   
  
Parking reservations are an important part of us ensuring all at the resort are able to appropriately physically distance. The parking reservation system will be in place every day of the season and parking spaces must be reserved before arriving to the resort to ensure availability.  Starting Thursday, November 5, at 10:00 A.M. you can book up to seven advance days throughout the season. You will be able to book a reservation starting Monday, November 23 and as we get closer to Opening Day, we will release passholder and Ikon dates for you to reserve above and beyond your advanced 7-day reservations. Once the season begins, you will also be able to book an unlimited number of days in the immediate rolling 7-day window. As your advance days fall into the rolling 7-day window, you can book additional advance days, only reserving up to seven at any given time.   

The parking management system means you can know that when you plan a trip to Killington, you will have a great experience, starting with the confidence in having plenty of room to spread out on the mountain.  

We will still need the majority of our guests to treat your car like a base lodge and, if you can, boot up at your car. After further consideration as a result of feedback from many of you–our passholders–we understand that for some access to the lodge to put boots on in the morning is needed. We will be allowing access to base lodges for booting up (if building capacity allows); however, bags cannot be left in the lodge and bag check will be moved to a new location that can be accessed anytime during the day from outside.

We announced our anticipated Opening Day at Killington but keep in mind this date continues to be dependent on having top-to-bottom skiing and riding with access to multiple base area lifts. If Mother Nature does not allow us to achieve this, we will delay our opening. From Opening Day through Sunday, November 22, access to the mountain will be reserved for you, Killington Season Passholders and Ikon guests only. At this time, we plan to begin accepting Express Card Holders, day tickets, passholder bring a friend tickets, vouchers, etc. starting Monday, November 23, and advance purchase lift tickets will go on-sale beginning Friday, November 6. Per state of Vermont guidance, guests can travel to Vermont only from approved counties on the Vermont Travel map without a quarantine prior to their arrival. This travel map is updated on a weekly basis, every Tuesday and we expect this policy to be in place throughout the season. 

Don't forget, every Season Pass is covered by the Passholder Promise, so you can rest assured that your investment will be protected should there be a covered Covid-19 related interruption during the upcoming winter season. This coverage includes the option to receive a full refund before November 20, as well as Zero Use Coverage for qualifying passes, which guarantees a future use voucher for the full amount paid for your season pass if at the end of the 2020-21 season you have used 0 days for any reason, including not being able to visit due to travel guidelines. 

For more information about what to expect this season, visit 20/21 Winter Operations. As a reminder, these plans are subject to change once the state of Vermont issues and approves ski resort restart guidance. We look forward to a great, fun-filled ski and ride season.   

As I stated in my last update, while there is always a competition to open first, we believe winning this year means all of us doing our part to put into place thoughtful plans and follow guidelines and best practices to keep one another safe, so that we may enjoy a full season of skiing and riding. I trust our commitment to continuing our candid communication gives you confidence in our plans for the upcoming season. I know everyone is continuing to adapt in their own way and I wanted to make sure you know how we continue to adjust.  

If you still have questions we haven’t answered yet, please submit them here.  

I look forward to seeing you on the trails.   

Mike Solimano   
President & General Manager

1 hour ago, FlashFreeze said:

Elevation was everything, here on the Barkhamsted East Hartland line we ended up with about 25” and 12 minutes down the road in Granby Center it was about 11” it actually looked like a tornado had gone through the Southwick MA Granby Simsbury CT area with the amount of snapped telephone poles and downed trees and power lines, not even a twig came down at my place

Not enough orange cones and police tape to mark the road hazards even days after the storm in granby/East granby/simsbury. A total war zone for sure.

19 minutes ago, Hoth said:

That's right. Expected rain to start, but started as snow in Hamden. That was an "uh-oh" moment. The trees started to sag in an hour, then came the pops and shotgun blasts. Thankfully not a disaster near the coast, but boy was the Hartford area a disaster.

6 days without power.  Streets impassible.  National guard driving up and down cul=da-sacs. Driving miles to get gas for the generator. No thanks.  We were at killington for opening weekend. I watched the thread and saw my entire area lose power on the eversouse site.  I waited until we had gotten about an hour or two of skiing in on Sunday before I told my husband that we needed to leave, go to Home Depot in Rutland and buy the generator, five 5 gallon gas cans, batteries and electric cords. We stopped in Ludlow for easy food like sandwich meat, bread, tuna etc. Hit gas stations and filled the heavy Chevy (36 gallon tank) and filled the 25 gallons in cans on the way back too.  Nothing like driving into a disaster area knowing you are going to be living there for a while.  It was cold.  No heat, no water, no phone, no electricity, no cable.  By day 2 the cell phone towers were dead.  You could see how things could get weird real quick in a worse disaster. And of course that was all right on the heels of the Irene disaster n VT only two months earlier. Good times.  Not looking for a repeat of that on top of what we have going right now with the virus and the election. 

Cape Cod worked it out and stayed green on VT’s quarantine through out summer tourist season with no travel restrictions.  I think Vermont should be able to figure this out.  Seriously.

46 minutes ago, TauntonBlizzard2013 said:

Good luck, they are more than likely going to have the backing of local and state officials if they do that. 
 

It may not be right, but pretty much anything is flying these days. If they can force businesses to stay closed for weeks and months they can and may decide who’s skiing and who’s not.

Sure.  I have an appointment at VT DMV as I’m considering changing my license and my car registration.  I have a year long apartment lease and a renters policy.  I have enough to prove residency should I chose to do that. If I move to VT on 11/25 what is the deal?  My pass is still locked because I lived in CT when they mailed the pass.  Seriously. Like I actually could just become a VT resident. Then what?  And then what would CT do?  Any idea how hard CT will fight to prevent you from changing your domicile because they want your income tax?  If I make the move and it’s an issue VT and CT can fight it out in court.  This whole thing is f’d up.

9 hours ago, PowderBeard said:

Yes and I also wonder about the legal troubles for ski areas since they have the info available (e.g., RFID, driver's licenses, pass mailing locations, credit card zip codes). If there is an outbreak that is traced to their mountain from those "red" individuals I could see an easy lawsuit there (profits > lives!). I'm not sure if there is a legal problem with refusing based on county due to the travel restrictions (I'm sure someone will try to make a discrimination case from it). It reminds me of how NH gun stores will refuse to sell ammo to Mass and CT residents because they have that info available to them via driver's licenses and credit card zip code/billing info. 

In terms of opening Bear is a great idea to spread things out. I imagine they are in no rush to open K1 given the confined space and decreased area capacity. Maybe Snowdon to Canyon and Ridge area via Kilink and East Fall.  Then Skye Peak to Bear via Skyeburst/Gateway/Stash. Finally work on Rams/Snowshed (unless lodging is pre-packed for the late December holiday week). 

 

I’m paying $11,000 a year for an apartment in VT that I am moving to just before thanksgiving after quarantining and I am planning to stay there until at least January 26th. By November I will have paid 8 months for nothing but the privilege of moving there for two months since I have only been there 3 nights since 4/1.  I need to get some of my stuff.  Yes I quarantined...don’t even go there.  So help me god, if they lock my pass, I will sue them for discrimination. 

1 hour ago, mreaves said:

If I want to go into our office I have pretty similar requirements as you describe.  Schedule my office time on a shared calendar, answer a health survey and wear a mask when away from my desk.  

I would have to do the same.  I work for a Fortune 500 company.  30k employees working from home.  Have to get permission to go to our office building ie questionnaire and manager permission etc.

A well known musician in the Ludlow area just went on some kid of cross country vacation driving and is now back in Ludlow complaining loudly on his private FB page about all the out of staters Disregarding quarantine.

The thing is, if you work from home like millions do right now it’s fairly easy.  We headed up to VT a few weeks ago to check in our place and get some warm clothes since all our warm clothes were there.  I had not left our property in two weeks so had quarantined.  Sadly I did nothing special.  I just don’t have much reason to leave the house these days.  My husband went with me and just stayed in the condo and studied so he quarantined in VT.  We were there three days. I went to the post office and up to the mountain to get my 100 day hat for skiing over 70 days last year. We did not go to a gas station or buy food etc.  We completely were in compliance.  If my husband broke quarantine he would get kicked out of his program which took 3 yeas to get into.  But we are allowed to go to VT and when we get back to CT he can go his stuff no problem because you don’t have to quarantine in CT after visiting VT.  We did not break any rules.  

I do see it on FB pages beyond Killington based ones as well.  And folks I know have been screamed at in general store parking lots and told to “Go home”.  One friend just got married and moved in with her VT husband but still has a MA plate.  She got screamed at 3 miles from her house.  Another friend was living in Vermont all last year with her VT resident boyfriend with a North Carolina plate and also had a person walk right up to her and scream at her to go home.  She was within 5 miles of their home.  it’s really a shame this is happening.  Hopefully confrontations like this do not become physical.

Honestly, for what it is worth, you guys are different than the average internet group.  For all the teasing that goes on here it’s a pretty good natured empathetic group with a lot of constructive discussion and information. I do appreciate that.  

I guess I do fall in the category that sees what is on FB and thinks the country is a shit show.  I’ve always sort of felt people smile in your face but say what they really think when they are online. I hope I’m wrong and you guys are right that the incidents I am aware of and the posts are just a small group of jerks and are not a representative sample.

Hopefully there will actually be a ski season.  All these tools complaining loudly on FB about out of staters coming this winter without quarantining are going to get the ski areas shut down.  They are making a lot of noise and making it seem like a terrible problem even if it is not.  Politicians respond to that sort of pressure because they worry about perception.  

Here is a full on example of this BS.  On this thread the general opinion repeated over and over is that people with out of state plates and out of state drivers license should not be allowed to ski in Vermont this year.  There are already 85 comments.  I see the thread is being followed by representatives from Stowe and Jay.  NOT ONE person is defending the idea that people with out of state plates or Drivers licenses who work from home may be living in VT this winter for significant periods of time.  So what, I can quarantine at home no problem for 14 days then move to VT for 8 weeks but my pass will be turned off because I had it mailed to my CT address in October.  Do these people have any idea how hard it is to change your state of domicile from CT even if you are there less than 183 days a year???

I certainly think anyone with the idea they can ski in VT a few weekends here and there with an ICON pass needs to change their expectations about how well they will be received in VT this winter.  
 

I don’t understand how several of you in VT posting here have claimed not to know this is going on.

4 hours ago, mreaves said:

I haven’t heard of anything like that and haven’t seen it reported anywhere either. 

Just because you have not heard of it does not mean it had not happened.  My Aunt and Uncle’s friend had their out of state car vandalized. These are rational adults in their 70’s who would not make something up.  I had several friends screamed at general stores.  I have been confronted as to why I was in Vermont by a guy who does maintenance in our complex. You have green plates. It’s like telling someone from a minority group that there is no such thing as racism because you have never experienced it.  I don’t think it’s really the ski area people as much as everyone else.  Let’s face it, the Burlington area is a bit more cosmopolitan than central VT.  The woodchucks are not liking seeing all the flatlanders coming up from infected areas.

Here is a relatively tame quote just yesterday:.  The existing locals vs out of stater bad vibes are there whether you want to admit it or not.  There is a ton of “territorial” “I have a right to be here and you do not”.  I only bring it up because there are folks who think it will be all fine to ignore Vermont quarantine rules because it’s not enforced by authorities.  Like PF is saying........people need to understand the situation and not have expectations that everything will be normal.  I keep bringing this up to help   people who may be reading this thread. I’m just stating a fact that people should be aware of before they visit Vermont. You guys keep negating my experience which is not helpful.  I’m not looking to argue with anyone about this. If you want to joke around and act like I’m making it up fine.  But I think folks who read this thread, who don’t spend much time in Vermont and may be planning on Vermont being a super place to visit this winter, should know the undercurrent of hostility to out of staters has gotten worse in Vermont since Covid hit.  It is what it is.  It’s something visitors have to deal with.

15 hours ago, mcglups said:

Plans are a making! Got the IKON pass and planning accommodations for Sunday through Friday for three weeks (mid-December, mid-January, early-February) in VT/NH/ME and then Sunday through Saturday for late-February in MT for a potential of 20 days of skiing. Aiming to utilize the pass to at least break-even, and venturing to other mountains as well. Accommodations will vary from hotel chains to local places. In my mind I'd like to ski 8 hours per day, but in practice it is usually 5 hours, which will work out fine as I need to work several hours each day. Windy days will be the safest on the mountain, as people will remain bundled up. Hoping for the best, and definitely going to spend money locally in each community to support the economy, including checking out mountains I've never skied, this will be the year to try them out!

Just be ready to sign a legal document that you quarantined when you go to VT.  And be prepared for people in VT to assume you did not quarantine even if you did.  I expect that if there are massive numbers of weekender skiers and cases start spiking in Vermont there will be some unpleasant confrontations between those with green plates and those with other colored plates.  People up there have been very vocal this summer about wanting people from out of state to stay away.  I’m sure they will become more vocal and act more vigilante as The virus spikes and ski tourism spikes.  We are moving to Vermont for part of November, December and January.  We plan to change our plates which is going to be a big hassle but hopefully it will allow us to be comfortable and safe from any confrontations or vandalism while we are living there.  We are fortunate to live trailside so we have our own private base lodge.  That said, it would not surprise me in the least to see the whole thing shut down.  Don’t be the reason we lose our season.

4 hours ago, bch2014 said:

I stated this in the spring and got flamed for saying it, but the reason why summer traffic in NNE has been as high if not higher than normal (it was in the Lakes Region where I spend a lot of time) yet there has been been no "spike" is because the people who ski/boat/hike in NNE are those in our region who are at lowest risk of infection.

They are:

-Whiter

-Wealthier

-More likely to work from home

-More likely to follow public health guidance 

Most skiers at Stowe aren't from Chelsea, MA or Brownsville, Brooklyn even if they share the same county. More likely to be from the Back Bay or Brooklyn Heights. 

I don't mean it callously-I wish the social and medical inequities in this country were not so apparent... But it's the reality of what's going on in our country.

 

I do agree and, as you said, our society is full of inequity which results in these things.  It’s one reason why it is so hard to deal with the VT quarantine as a rule following CT resident.  I live in east granby near the notch in the top of CT.  We have had so few cases and I work from home, avoid people, and wear a mask in places it seems prudent like getting gas.  But my county has Hartford, East Hartford, Manchester, Bloomfield and they have lots of cases.  I feel like I’m shut out unnecessarily.  I miss my VT home.  I have not been there since late May.   The worst part is that I see people in VT say how smart the rules are in VT.  But people like me could go there safely both because we don’t come in contact with the virus in CT and more importantly because we are responsible people.  

4 hours ago, KoalaBeer said:

Ditto this. I've only ever been on a board my whole life but managed a ski/snowboard shop for 5 years before getting out of retail. I would really push the customers to budget out most of there money on boots first whether on skis or a board. You could have the best skis and bindings on the market but if your boots suck you're going to have a bad time.  Although I got to say 400-500 days on those boots!? I hope you changed out the toe and heel lugs man those wear down and cause bindings to not release properly. Snowboard boots are 100 days max in my experience but they also aren't made up of hard plastic. Damn I can't wait for the season to get here....

Blue Lange 110SC’s, so no changing out the toe and heel in those suckers.  They are pretty thin.  I have the same exact boot with about 50 days on them but which are not quite as perfect as the old ones.  I cheat and have bindings mounted with those.  That’s more of a “do as I say not as I do” sort of thing. So far so good with no pre-releases.  They come off when they should.

13 minutes ago, TauntonBlizzard2013 said:

https://www.evo.com/outlet/ski-packages/atomic-punx-five-skis-look-nx-10-bindings
 

thinking about splurging for these.... last years model seems like 

My advice to someone only skiing a couple times a year is to spend all your equipment budget on a pair of ski boots fit to your feet properly.  Most bootfitters will be able to set you up properly and adjustments to tweak the fit are generally complimentary. You can’t just buy a random pair of boots in your street shoe size.  Ski boots don’t fit like street shoes.  They should fit like a cast you might wear if you broke your whole foot so that any movement in your foot or lower leg will transfer to your ski properly.  Personally my ski boots are two full sizes smaller than my street shoe.  I have my bootfitter make them bigger via heating punching the plastic etc where the hot spots are.  Boots do not wear out fast.  My ski boots have easily 400-500 ski days on them.  Once they fit perfect you don’t want to switch because they become such an important part of your equipment.  You dont want used boots that have fit the form of someone else’s foot.  Your foot will be all sloppy in there.  You can rent/demo skis and figure out what you like in skis.  Or just rent the latest thing in skis each year.  Truth be told, most serious skiers have a quiver of skis because different conditions call for different skis....powder, ice, crud etc call for different skis.  When you rent demos the shop can set you up with the right ski for the location and conditions that day.

33 minutes ago, powderfreak said:

Sounds like my house to the picnic tables and it’s only 5 miles as crow flies.  But it’s never bothered me at all... that’s where I need my snow, under my skis, ha.  I certainly would never prefer rain and will take 5” all day long while the picnic tables pile up the pow.  But it’s still pretty damn wintry regardless and we don’t get screwed in synoptic events, I think that would hurt more.

It also helps when you spend 60+ hours a week and all free time up in that snow... it’s sort of like having two homes, one is snowier than the other lol.

I totally get that.  For years I spent all the daylight hours when I was in CT in the office in Hartford. And I rarely looked out the window there and never went outside  I never saw my CT house in daylight except occasional mornings all winter.  But then I would spend Thursday-Monday at Pico at 2,000 feet with lots of time outside and near windows during daylight in a big snow area. I love snow. I’m a total snow weenie.  But I seriously felt like it really did not mater whether It snowed at my house in CT.  I’m my brain I lived in deep snow country.  That was my native culture. Living in the northern Greens would be even better of course.