blackjack123

I might say EF4 based on the damage and also that depends on the construction. If I had to do this survey I might start with EF3-EF4 and if I think any of this damage might qualify as an EF5 I would get several experts opinions before rating it that.

Ok now that I am thinking about what your saying. I am sure they want more man made structures than trees before giving out an EF4 or EF5 rating. A bare concrete slab and a fully leafed tree would make me question the structural integrity of the home.

Unfortunately no. Very, very scary.

Why is that? 167mph on the upper bound falls into the very low-end of EF4.

I am no expert but I think tress could go up to EF4 damage. I remember seeing tree damage in Andover,KS, Moore, OK, Harper, KS, and Parkersburg Iowa where not only was the trees completely debarked but also shredded down the center. I dont think there were even stumps even remaining. I am seeing trees in Tuscaloosa that are looking comparable. This tornado was at least an EF4 and no less. It is very obvious how violent this tornado was.

It goes to show you how politics and money comes before the people who lost their lives in this tornado outbreak and a number of these victims probably paid taxes to support these a**holes

I just saw a scene on TWC where Jim Cantore was standing in the Tuscalossa area with trees totally debarked similar to the picture you have from Bridge Creek/Moore/OKC tornado in 1999. I dont know if this tornado was as strong as that one but defenitely more deadlier. At minimum this tornado was at least EF4 and most likely an EF5. Utter devastation.

213 deaths according to TWC.

The new death toll I heard was 183 and probably rising. That is just beyond unimaginable for todays technologies and advanced warning. Like others said if it was an EF3+ tornadoes striking major populated areas and winds high as 160mph+ cause structural failure to almost any type of of building. In addition I am highly suspecting a number of these tornadoes will be rated as violent EF4 or EF5 tornadoes. NWS offices, TWC, and other news coverage areas did do a great job yesterday and did save a lot of lives although there was a very large death from tornadoes. It is a very sad and sobering day to say the least.

Yep it is all a big joke just like you said and I posted it in the post above this one.

Because its that mighty dollar and media scandals is more important to them people rather than lives taken, injuries, and property destruction from this tornado outbreak.

It will surpass even the May 31, 1985 tornado outbreak which killed 88 people in the US and Ontario.

Yeah that is really bad but I dont know if it is as the one above. The trees are completely debarked in the photo above in Moore, OK. There could very well be areas like that in Tuscaloosa although. I am sure that was probably at least an EF4 tornado and if not that it was an EF5.

This makes my stomach sick. This is just beyond horrendous.

This is unbelievably scary. This will be extremely historic.

At least 40 tornado warnings with some of them as tornado emergencies.

A number of those tornado warnings are just tornado emergencies.

Yeah a lot of things have changed since 1974 but like you said a EF3+(150+mph winds ) hitting a sports arena or auditorium packed with tens of thousands of people without getting to shelter on time.

Hopefully we dont get fatalities like then. But like I said even if we even a third or a quarter of the strong/violent EF3+ tornadoes like we did in the Superoutbreak of 1974 it could be quite catastrophic. 1974 had 35 F3's, 24 F4's, and 6 F5's. Imagine getting 8-12 EF3 tornadoes, 5-8 violent EF4 tornadoes, and 1-2 violent EF5 tornadoes today. IMO that could be a major disaster waiting to happen.

Those parameters are insane. Sounds like a full fledged armageddon. A violent possible. It sounds more like multiple strong/violent EF3-EF4 tornadoes possible and I would not rule out an EF5 today.

I know very much next to nothing when forecasting tornado outbreaks but fomr what I have heard it sounds extremely scary. There could be as many tornadoes as the Superoutbreak of 1974 but I dont think there will be as many strong/Violent EF3+ tornadoes. The Superoutbreak had 35 F3's, 24 F4's and 6 F5's. Even if we had a third of these strong/violent type of tornadoes it would be catastrophic, 12 EF3's 8 EF4's and 2 EF5's. The fatality rate could be very from having just that many strong/violent tornadoes and considering the population of the US probably has well overy 100,000,000 people increase since 1974.

SPC has listed a day 2 moderate risk and mentions a complex but potentially dangerous day. "POTENTIALLY DANGEROUS DAY!!!" I dont hear strong wording like that very often except maybe 4-10-08 which ended up being a bust compared to what could have happened. Can somebody explain this. Is SPC talking about like 5000-6000J/KG+ CAPE and other insane parameters.